Retired - Victoria Swinger

[Steve]

I cannot understand a lot of Hungarian but I do try to read Kovi's blog on goldengate.hu to see if he is still working on projects.

It does seem that he is still working on his project of launching a TV channel in Hungary which will I assume be subscriber based. I am not sure if this is an IPTV system or actual TV.

From my weak understanding of Hungarian I think he going to have it headed up by someone known well in Hungary called Gyozike. Gyozike is the biggest TV star on commercial TV in Hungary and also famed for appearing often at erotica festivals (god only knows what would happen if some of the UK's big TV stars did live public performances at erotic festivals... the UK press would have a field day and their careers would be over. It seems in Hungary thats perfectly acceptable behaviour).

I also read Cathy Moores posts on Viv Thomas forums as she gives an insight sometimes as to what is happening in Hungary (fortunately in English). Cathy (or Katalin) has mentioned that Kovi was creating a new movie back in July, so I do not think he is finished.

Mr Csarky or Mr C as he is better known was one of the main powers behind Kovi's productions but no organisation should have a single point of failure and Kovi does have other cameramen. Mr C from my personal experience is a very difficult person to work with and is extremely set in his ways. Video editing and technical aspects of video work were always the worst for me. I think Mr C saw me as a threat to his throne with Kovi and none moreso than when I was asked to create the official Luxx trailer.

It took me about a month of fiddling and messing around to come up with the Luxx trailer which is still available on luxx.hu now or direct link if you want it - http://download.luxx.hu/sajtoszoba/xxx-trailer.wmv

I used a lot of morphing, greenbox effects, scan effects, and 3D effects with motion blurring and supersampling to create it (some sections taking my PC in those days over 6 hours to render (shame I never had the alienware quad core kit that I now use)). My trailer is still played by Luxx at every festival they attend, so its kinda nice for me. They did chop my company logo off the end though... sucks... lol.

First thing that Mr C ever said to me was in regards to www.victoriaswinger.com when I was the designer. He said "your movies are too HQ and bad format. You should make LQ only movies for the members and then sell to customers on DVD to make money". I refused point blank to lower the quality based on the advise of someone who's skill with video compression was zero and who knew about as much about websites as I did 20 years ago... which is nothing (as the internet did not exist then). My format at the time was wmv and avi. Interestingly enough, the same format used nowadays by almost every single website that offers movies.

As you can see, there was never any friendship between me and Mr C and that still exists to this day. Given that Victoria became his girlfriend, its little wonder that her website was shut down by her about 1 month after their relationship started.

Its probably a good move for Luxx to have lost Mr C (if that is the case). He may have had skill as a cameraman but he was too overpowering and too set in his ways to allow Luxx to move forward.

The only regret that I have is if its Mr C who is the father of Victoria's child to be, then I am sure she should have chosen someone a little younger than 52 to start a family with.

[superduper]

52 is a bit old because he is almost 30 years older than the girl (victoria), definitely a father figure type. How long will that relationship last ? He provides emotional stability and security, but maybe not that good an idea if she has a child. Will she want someone younger soon.

So what does Mr C do nowadays ? Is he a freelance ?

I take it he has left Luxx because of Victoria quitting.

[superduper]

Is there any top model now at Luxx, or has that idea gone ?

[Steve]

Nikki Rider is probably his top model if she is still there. To be completely honest, I don't know which models Kovi has anymore if any at all.

[superduper]

It sounds like a lot of models have left Luxx because the Victoria business damaged Kovi's reputation and people are afraid of being tainted by association.

It used to be models would try to get into Luxx, but now it seems they are trying to get out, dare I say it, like rats leaving the sinking ship (but they are not rats, they are cuties leaving the sinking ship).

Anyway, it seems Luxx is not what it was in its glory days (which were only 2 or 3 years ago).

[Steve]

Its a shame also as Kovi knew nothing of the problems. He is definitely not to blame for anything that has happened.

At the end of the day, Kovi is actually a very nice person if you can get into his circle of friends. He has little time for people not in the business and is likely to blank you totally if your not someone he feels will be of benefit to his business.

I was very shocked when I heard that he blanked the EBI team when they tried to speak to him in Berlin. That was kinda a bad decision from Kovi. I don't think he knew at the time the power that EBI has in this business and if consider all the assistance he gives Machomedia which is a much smaller site in comparison. Bit of a shot in the foot.

He did a bit to rebuild that though when Frigo was invited to a shooting in Hungary during one of his visits. Kinda weird interview though because it was split into bits as scenes were being filmed, so it was like ask a question or two, wait for a couple to bonk like mad, then ask a few more questions, lol.

I personally like Kovi a lot and I hope that he can rebuild what he had. I did hear that even before the problems started that he was considering selling Luxx to concentrate on other projects, so maybe he chose the other project route... not totally sure.

So, in conclusion. Kovi is a good guy and someone who looks after his models (possibly a little too much it seems). He is most definitely not one of the bad guys in this business.

[superduper]

Interesting. Steve Cross on What is Happening in Hungary said Victoria never looked like a pornstar, never had the mind to be one...you know why ? What is all that about ? Also, working with fake tests ?

That must be the scandal.

He said this all damaged Kovi's reputation by choosing Victoria as his main contract model, and nobody wanted to work with Victoria for the past year.

But he also said Virginee was much more stupid.

Does that mean that Victoria was never really suited to being a pornstar because she did not look right, and could not give a decent porn performance ? Also, do you need to be stupid to be a pornstar, because what he said implied that Victoria was not stupid enough to do porn, that it might be beneath her intellectual level.

He said something about what she gives in her performances, implying she is not good at porn.

I guess Kovi must have cared a bit too much for his models, and not been cut-throat enough for the business, because otherwise he would have distanced himself from Victoria earlier.

Maybe Victoria was a bad choice for a top model, coming after Maya Gold and Michelle Wild. Maybe the top model idea was just a bad idea.

[superduper]

Anyway, I'm no expert at judging porn performances, and i only like what I like, but I thought Victoria was okay at porn, or not bad, or rather good; but not great, or the best.

Maya Gold was much better, but she was exceptional.

You could say that sometimes you got the idea that Victoria's mind was not completely on the job.

I suppose if people thought she was crap, this was not just an objective opinion, it was because they did not like her, for whatever reason (and there seem to be a number of possible reasons).

She was a bit fat, though, at times. But a girl like that could only do porn modelling because she was short. She could never have been a catwalk model (out of the question completely).

Some tall porn models might have done other types of modelling, but not Victoria.

[superduper]

The guys here seem to like Vic Swinger as they call her "one of the most prominent babes...a good friend of ours...sweet'ums".

[Steve]

I am still not overly sure what happened in Hungary but it does seem to be serious. The whole idea for creating that thread was to find out what I could and with input now from Steve Cross and Gepont, that thread is going to have more information about the Hungarian scene in English than any other site at the moment.

[Steve]

Okay, my personal opinion on Victoria and how she acted in the business.

As her friend (for 2 years while she was in the business), as her website designer and promoter and as someone who has directed her in over 10 scenes I will tell you what I think....

Steve Cross hit the nail on the head. I am not sure he was saying that she is too intelligent but he was definitely saying she was not of the right mind to be a pornstar and he is 100% correct.

She is an intelligent girl and that I do not dispute. I have an IQ of 152 and she often made me feel stupid. She is a fast learner and can accomplish things easily that others have problems with.

However, with that intelligence she forced opinions and could manipulate most situations. She could change a scene to make it how she wanted it, which she did using her position in Luxx, using her intelligence and using her charm and charisma (of which she has bundles).

When I first met her it was as a graphic designer. I just knocked up a few images for fun to help promote her and it came with the chance to win a meeting with her. At the time I was working on a mega site as technical designer and editor, so to be fair I was not really being fair entering as I was a professional designer.

I became her website designer in July 2004 which again was supposed to be a purely free website to promote her. There was no plans to produce material for this site.

At this time, Kovi was not overly bothered about the little known Victoria Swinger and she was indeed hardly known. Using connections I had in the business I started to push her as the next big thing and I knew models in the US, and had quite a following as a technically accomplished editor on the US site that I worked... so people took interest.

With coaching from Ginger Jolie in the US, I pushed harder and harder to make her famous and in August 2004 I met with her for the first time. I was then invited by Kovi to attend the Budapest 2004 festival because he wanted to meet this mysterious website designer who was making one of his little known models into a popular star.

To show my connections I had a friend attend the festival who was a big named lawyer from California. Now, Kovi did take interest and asked me how hard it would be to make a mega site produced by Luxx.

I said I would do it for a percentage but Victoria must be featured prominently and she must be in the website name. Kovi agreed and my lawyer friend drafted the contracts and VMH was born (Victoria Media Holdings).

Now, please understand that at this point I had only seen a small amount of her work and did not really know her apart from our many chats on MSN. I promoted her based on what I thought she could do, not on what she could actually do.

So, now Kovi starts to believe that Victoria will be his next big name. He starts to create movies with her and because of the popularity of her "then" free site she started getting scenes in more movies and interest started spreading. I even met Frank Thring in Budapest during one visit.

Then the problems started and I realised that I had made a mega mistake. I am not one to give up though so I pressed on and pushed like mad to break this problem...

I realised that the now famous Victoria Swinger was actually a very lazy girl who did not care about quality or performance... she was all about the attention and the notoriety that came with her position.

She would refuse to post on her forums, she would refuse to post on here, she would refuse to do live chats on her site and basically after one shoot day said she had done enough for her site to last six months.

She demanded the best director to make her website scenes, the best cameramen, the best makeup artists, the best shooting locations, etc. She even had machomedia there taking extra photographs. The cost started spiraling before the site had even launched.

I then received an honest comment from my friend in LA. He said "mate, back out of this. She is not a draw and the site will fail".

I knew this would come true but I stuck to my guns and did my best. Often working up to 18 hours a day every day to push like crazy. It was all a waste.

She was simply not going to perform, she was not going to produce the mega peformances needed to support a single model site and she was not going to communicate with her fans. In the end her agent (swingerpapa) in desperation started posting on her as her and I actually ran a live chat pretending to be her (Frigo attended and knew.. he was probably laughing the whole time....).

In July 2005, the site was closed as I was not getting any material and she had hit a situation where the certificate loophole she was exploiting was closed and she could not work for a few months.

In October 2005, I was contacted by her asking if we could try again. Initially I was against the idea. I had already lost a very highly paid job to work on her site and did not want to lose everything I owned. However, with her manipulative style she talked me into it and I sold my sportscar and left the UK to move to Budapest.

I directed 13 scenes and filmed one. I have to say that she is probably the most unprofessional and most impossible person to work with. She always looks at the monitor during shooting (you will see her eyes wandering around the room in ever scene she has ever done... that is because she is watching the studio monitor that the director is watching).

So, yes she was absolutely not meant to be a pornstar and should never have tried. She has no talent at all in that department and should not have led on so many people with the fact that "I'll be the biggest star ever". I cost many people heavily.

Kovi lost his reputation and it has damaged Luxx. Her agent lost his reputation over the certificate scandal and cannot work in that area anymore. I lost my job and most of what I owned due to time needed to work on the sites and the investment I put in. My LA lawyer lost a $6,000 investment in the websites. My Swedish friend who was supporting and working on the sites lost his job over the problems.

When the end of the site project started to become a reality she "stole" the website domain by getting someone who works at the domain registrar to change the records to her name. Yes, totally illegal, but that is her way.

She did that to stop us launching using the 13 scenes we had made. She made it impossible to recoup any money or to attempt to balance the losses. These are the 13 unseen scenes that I have.

The issues in Czech over the illness are minor in comparison to what she did. She was diagnosed 3 times with an illness and forged clean certificates to continue working. She also forged a further 6 to work when she had not taken a test at all.

Kovi was not aware of any of the certificate stuff until I leaked it.

So, in conclusion... was she any good. She was certainly good at screwing up peoples lives and making enemies. She was good at manipulating, creating chaos and hurting people without remorse.

Was she good infront of the camera. Not particularly. I have never seen a convincing scene that she has ever made. I asked her once if she gets pleasure from the scene and she said "of course not.. its a job".

That is the reason why no one would work with her. She did nothing to help the guys maintain their "stance" during the scene and she showed no emotions and did not care if they had problems. In fact she would have looked at that as if they were stupid and should not be in the business.

I simply chose the wrong person to invest my time in and it burned me out. When Nikki Rider, Maya Gold, Claudia Ferrari all asked me to do sites for them you can imagine my thoughts on this. I was done with it all and it left a bad taste that is still not gone.

So, why did I leak the info. Two reasons. One to stop her for good and to end the pain and suffering that she endows on people. She came out of it all like Ms Teflon.. the shit did not stick and she was busy planning new projects and stuff that would have caused more losses to others. With five people already in ruin because of how she acted, I finally put an end to Victoria Swinger and hell.... I did the porn world a favour.

And Two, because secretly it did matter to me how she was doing and I knew her career was about to come to a crashing end because so many people hated her. I leaked it quietly creating confusion giving her the ability to vanish without the mega news that this scandal would have caused.

I had many people stand by me during all the crap and people who saw me crash into depression and go through councelling over this. People who knew I was not emotionally strong and that I had incurable Aspergers Syndrome and they stood by me and gave the best advise possible. Yes, for six months I was suicidal and she almost scored a very big goal in completely killing someone off.

My thanks go out to JB, Frigo and Chuck for being brave enough to tell me that I was being stupid and to sort my shit out.

Steve

[dap-addict]

She did start way too hard. He first scene was a DP and that was in Letterine Senza Muttandine. That was how she started. That was the first and biggest mistake she made in her road to fame. She should have started slowly and built up to that kind of scene getting press each time she notched it up a gear.....

To be honest I really doubt Victoria could have built a career in Hungary this way. Just face it, she never really had a super body, she never really was super cute or super beautiful. If she were, maybe that kind of starting with lez and than move slowly could have worked. Maybe...

I think she started the right way, but than a lot went wrong. Wrong contacts, wrong boyfriend etc.
I just hope she is happy now.


PS: I wrote this before reading the above post by Steve.

[Steve]

No worries dap.

Although above I have said some pretty awful things about Victoria Swinger and have for the first time been honest about what I think of her scenes and performances, it will never detract from the fact that as a person I think she is wonderful.

As a business person she is not nice and in the business she was not nice but as a person away from the business she is interesting and a very nice person to spend time with.

I would give anything to restore the friendship, but I doubt it will ever happen. I have a new business venture about to launch now that I am finally back on my feet again and if its successful, then I will without hesitation ensure that she is financially comfortable for the rest of her life.

My Aspergers may have given me an edetic memory, but I sure as hell don't dwell in it

[gepont]

I have heard about VS from my MM-mate Gergo, who went to see them (VS and swingerpapa) for an interview in Dec. 2003. After the meeting he said: It's kinda interesting relationship, if you would ask her "How are you, Victoria?", you probably could hear HIM saying first "She's fine". As far as I heard the story, she's from a small town and after they met, swingerpapa has left his family and figured out how they could make money and fame with his new, young girlfriend and talked her into porn. She didn't like sex, indeed, but she did like money and she was lazy enough to do this, rather than anything, even she didn't like it. HE went to Kovi and the rest is history, read Steve's excellent story (Big up for sharing this, Man!) .
A side note on Kovi's superstars. After he was, I don't know, 10 years in the biz, came Michelle Wild, a small-town girl, cute, loves sex, intelligent and for some strange reasons she wanted to be a star. She was the first Hungarian porn celeb, a true household name. It wasn't Kovi's idea or strategy, it's just happened. And then came Maya, another fame-hungry small-town girl, she was happy to shag in front of the cameras in the first HU Big Brother. No actually she was in the other show, same thing, same time, other channel, doesn't matter. Fast Forward. After a while it was obvious that Michelle's career is soon over, she was overused, had a new boyfriend. It was the summer of 2004 and Kovi was getting desperate to find the "new Michelle Wild", because in the meantime the whole Luxx strategy has been built around the stars and there was this clear orderly "line of succession" of Queen Michelle, Princess Maya (Queen-in-waiting), etc., etc. And then when both MW and MG retired (Maya's retirement process was long and gradual, MW retired on the day when she learned she's pregnant) sooner than Kovi expected, there was a self-created pressure on Kovi find someone who is willing to be in the HU mainstream media and he actually wasn't able to find anyone else than VS. Kati would be OK, she's intelligent and presentable but she's only doing G/G, she's not a proper pornstar, so there was Victoria... Everything else is in Steve's post

[Steve]

Yeah, the relationship between Swingerpapa and Victoria was always odd. The first time I met Swingerpapa in August 2004 I remember thinking to myself "what on earth is VS doing with this guy?"

I knew from the first chat with him on MSN in April 2004 that he was the driving force behind her at the time. I also assumed that he had gotten her into the porn scene which although I have no absolute proof, I am quite sure is the case.

He introduced himself to me as an ex pornstar and a professional cameraman of which neither proved to be true. He was certainly a businessman and pretty shrewd at that. His main problem was his apparent inability to speak a word of truth (regarding business).

He had this interesting phrase which he would use in our conversations on a daily basis of which I always claimed was stupid. It was "Do not mix business and personal in this industry". As impossible as that is, they both were much nicer people when not speaking about the business.

Swingerpapa when not in a business mode is quite a nice person. He still spouts the odd white lie when speaking as friends (and sometimes the odd major lie) but ultimately he is quite a cool person. I already mentioned that Victoria is nicer when not in the business (or was as she currently seems to hate my guts).

I can quite honestly believe that it would have been Swingerpapa who got VS into Luxx as he seemed to arrange all her work. He was actually the one who initially caused the main problem for VMH as he insisted that Victoria's site became amalgamated into VMH. This meant I was trying to create two sites simultaneously which meant the planned mega site never materialised as the VS site collapsed before I had chance to make the big one.

Kovi hated Swingerpapa in business. Swingerpapa used to demand more than VS deserved and would always try to negotiate a price higher than her true value.

He was the first one who told me that there was a major problem in the industry with VS as none of the major male actors wanted to work with her anymore. I knew about this back around August 2005. Over a full year before her career finally came crashing to a close.

He also told me that she hated sex. I was already aware that she hated anal because we played a game once in Miskolc where you had to answer difficult questions and then people would say if you told the truth or lied. Truth or dare or something. Her question was "if you could change sex would you" and she said "yes". I was confused so claimed dare and she said "no truth, cause if I was a man I would not have to do anal sex anymore".

He told me that in their private lives he did not sleep with her much cause she did not like it or need it. Apparently, once a month was doing well.

I believe he was probably the instigator of the forged certificates and I did see them on their laptop years before I knew what they were. I did wonder why a scanned medical certificate was always the only document in their "my documents" but now I understand. I will tell you now that Victoria was not the only customer using Swingerpapa's patented forged certificates!! That problem was far far more spread than just VS. I am not currently at liberty to divulge further. One of the other models has since finished and the others... well, your gonna have to guess (and no, Nikki Rider is not one of them... she would never do anything like that).

There was always something going on with Swingerpapa and VS to leave everyone talking. From being unfaithful, to forged certificates, to blackmail and more... it was a turbulent relationship.

I have to admit though that VS going off with Mr C did seem to coin the old phrase "out of the frying pan, into the fire".