Retired - Victoria Swinger

[Steve]

Hi All

I just thought I would pop on and say that I can confirm that Victoria is retired. I received an sms from her about a week ago where she stated that she was currently 4 months pregnant.

I am assuming from that news that its a safe bet that she will not be making any more movies in the near future.

Interestingly enough though, Luxx video currently has a phone in poll available on their website where Victoria can be voted for as Queen of the Erotica Festival in Budapest 2008. If she actually wins that when she will be 6 months pregnant it would truely show what a total farce those awards are

Steve

[superduper]

Didn't Michelle Wild retire also because she was pregnant ?

Who is likely to win the festival instead of Victoria ? Who is now the top model at Luxx ?

[Steve]

Not entirely sure to be honest. I believe that Nikki Rider was princess of the festival last year so a strong favorite to be the queen this year.

I think I would go with Nikki Rider as Queen, Sandra Parker or another Luxx model who has been with Luxx for over a year to be princess and some complete unknown from another agency as third place. Its been Luxx one and two with an unknown for the past 4 years so I doubt it will change.

Take 2005 for example. Maya Gold won, Victoria Swinger second and the third place I have no idea who it was. At that festival there was the US superstar Britney Skye as well as Eve Angel. The press hounded Britney and almost every image from that festival was Britney. Britney did like 4 main stage shows per day and yet the festival queen was a Luxx model. Ironic maybe!

Not taking anything away from Maya or Victoria and they are both very nice people, but maybe it's time these festivals actually stopped doing phone in voting and just told people that the biggest director there will be choosing the queen.

Focusz does a Hungarian award ceremony and Focusz models win. Luxx does a Hungarian award ceremony and Luxx models win, etc. Its really impossible to know who is actually the most popular Hungarian model due to the fact that the public is not told the truth.

Personally I would have to say the most popular Hungarian model is Sandra Shine, and then Eve Angel and then probably Mya Diamond.

[superduper]

I would have thought Simony Diamond was the most popular Hungarian model, but perhaps not in Hungary itself.

But who is now the top model at Luxx, because I read on that thread about Do the Girls Enjoy It, where we talked about Maya Gold, a guy there said Kovi has this idea to create a superstar, and that was Maya Gold, then Victoria Swinger.

But now they are both retired (and Michelle Wild), who is Kovi grooming to be his next superstar ?

(Not that good an idea, because fate can intervene, with models becoming pregnant and wanting to quit, so that if you put all you energies into creating this superstar model, as soon as they become a superstar they quit, so you don't get full mileage out of them.)

Maybe Kovi has gone off the idea and has begun to spread things around a bit more.

[Johnnie_Walker]

I have mixed feelings about this news. Certainly for Victoria this is great and she has an exciting future ahead of her.

For the porn fans like me, it is sad to lose her. Even though I thought she went too hard too soon, she had the potential to mature and reach the heights of the Euro Porn Biz.

I think if it wasn't for that well publicized "scandal", surrounding her, then she would still be active in the biz today. Anyway, I hope that will be forgotten about and she can get on with her life

Good Luck Victoria Swinger

[superduper]

Too hard too soon ? Does that mean she had porn burnout ? Can that sort of thing happen, when a porn queen burns out because she has taken on too much in too short a time, including actually having too much sex ?

Also, what was the scandal ?

Victoria was hot, but was she immature in porn terms ? Did too much happen too fast for her ?

[Steve]

The scandal is old news and I have to admit, I was the cause of that leaking. Yes, I put my hands up and say that I personally took down Victoria Swinger and it was a damn hard decision to make.

She absolutely hates me for it and I don't think anything will ever change that but I did her the biggest favour that anyone has ever done for her and that was getting her out of the business before it totally consumed her.

Is this just my opinion? No, not in the slightest. Her movie scenes were dwindling, her website appearances non existant and her fan base had all but forgotten her. She would never recapture the period in her life when she was making great money and her future would have resulted in harder and more humiliating scenes for less money.

I waited until after the Budapest Festival so that the press would not hound her like mad during her three days there and leaked the news.

Yeps, it totally ended her chances of landing another scene (but with a site like Simon Scans saying how bad she was, I think it was definitely the right time). She left the business and went to college, met someone she really likes and is now pregnant and I assume planning marriage.

You decide. Did I make her life worse, or did I put in place stepping stones to a wholey new and more promising future?

(Just to add. It cost me dearly to do what I did. Firstly I lost a friend who was important to me, secondly I lost a ton of respect in Hungary and none of the people I knew will speak to me, and thirdly I lost a lot of money because I have 13 unique scenes of Victoria which are now worthless and I will not release them ever).

[Steve]

For the porn fans like me, it is sad to lose her. Even though I thought she went too hard too soon, she had the potential to mature and reach the heights of the Euro Porn Biz.

Good Luck Victoria Swinger

I agree mate. I was working on a new launch and new look Victoria Swinger which is how she was going to look on the relaunch of her site. We had softened most of her stuff and done a ton more solo work because she always seemed to be the DP girl who was usually buried under writhing male bodies on most scenes.

She did start way too hard. He first scene was a DP and that was in Letterine Senza Muttandine. That was how she started. That was the first and biggest mistake she made in her road to fame. She should have started slowly and built up to that kind of scene getting press each time she notched it up a gear.....

She was also continuously called fat by her colleagues and by Kovi. So she started a routine to get in shape and this resulted in her losing her boobs more than anything else. Compare the Victoria Swinger in say the 21st Sextury shoots (like the rumour, etc) to the Victoria Swinger in Anal Dancing (her final movie which she wrote herself).

However, the scenes she did for Anal Dancing and Porn Wars II and III must have been some of her most difficult due to the fact that the cameraman was at this time... her boyfriend... and he did not like her doing this work.

Coupled with the fact that her ex boyfriend was trying to set her up in really hard scenes to get some kind of deviant pleasure from seeing her in pain. Work was becoming tough for her to get because he ex also used to be her agent and he had spent time making sure she would get no work (unless it was rough, hard scenes).

Kovi had lost faith in her and was annoyed that he had lost Mya Diamond over the Debrechen festival and he was not giving her much work.

As you can easily see from the picture I am painting that this was becoming a bad situation and I already knew she had tried to take her own life in the previous December... that I reacted and I ended her career to just take the damn pressure of her and get her out of it.

[superduper]

That still does not explain what the scandal was about.

I reckon Victoria did have a weight issue, and there were two Victoria (as there are two Ellen Saints), fat Victoria and slim Victoria; but whereas Ellen Saint was a bit taller so she could get away with more variation in appearance, with Victoria, when she was slim, her face became thin and her boobs went; but when she was fat, she was a bit heavy looking but had full tits. It was hard to get her absolutely right. In how many appearances was she just perfect as far as her body, face and beauty were concerned, so she could reach her full potential ? Not many. I reckon. But to be called fat all the time by your colleagues is a bit mean. It makes it worse for you because you know you have a problem and don't want it pointed out all the time.

It does sound as if her career was falling apart anyway, so it might have ended sooner or later.

If Kovi lost faith in her that would be bad news. But how did he lose Mya Diamond over the Debrecen Festival ?

From that other thread about what is happening in Hungary, it sounds like Kovi is almost finished himself and that is because Victoria's boyfriend is that guy Mr Czarsky who was Kovi's main cameraman, and he has quit
working for Kovi maybe over this Victoria business; or am I getting confused here.

You won't know until a few years time if Victoria thinks you did her a favour or not. Sometimes things work out like that.

[superduper]

So Simon Scans said all the time Victoria was crap ? Why pick on her ? Did Simon Scans say other people were crap as well ?

[superduper]

So, Victoria might hate your guts, but she still sent you an sms.

From the psychological point of view, if she knows you were the one responsible for the leaking of the scandal, she would think that your action removed any degree of choice for her; that it forced her to end her career. And that, even though she might have to do it anyway, the element of chocie was removed from her.

In retrospect, when people look back on things, the worst thing they hate or regret the most about their past is that they had no choice at a particular point; and think what might have happened if they had had some choice. And what they might have done if they had been allowed some degree of choice.

But as the past get older, they realize they had very little choice anyway, or maybe they never had any choice in a particular situation.

[superduper]

Who is now the top model at Luxx ?

Is Kovi going to retire after the fallout from the Victoria business and Mr Czarky leaving him, because your main cameraman, writer, editor etc. general factotum, going is much more important than your main model, and
much harder to replace ?

Also, has the Kovi idea of having the superstar model now been discontinued ar Luxx, because it has backfired so much ? Is Kovi losing his grip at Luxx because his past strategy has been revealed to be full of flaws ?

[superduper]

About the past, people do blame other people for removing choice, whether this is fair or not, and tend to think what another person did or said was totally the reason why they had no choice; but they realize in time that their own actions contributed to their lack of choice.

[Steve]

I only did what I did to improve someones life not destroy it. Albeit, to the person that does feel the opposite and yes choice was removed.

Far better that it came from me acting as an anonymous source at the time. The news was known by many insiders and many of those people wanted nothing more than to see her fall. She fell from favour gracefully, rather than having the story splashed as the main page story on multiple major sites.

It was a dulled down affair though that did not reach the ears of many people although the news did get bounced about a bit on comments pages and on a few forums.

I also did it in a way to cause some disbelief by leaking it and then denying it in a hope that she would take a stand and make a decision to give full details herself along with an apology for what she did. That apology never came. The choice was always there just as the choice was to do what she did in the first place.

Ultimately, the news of her retirement, or why she finished was never made public and as its now old news there is no reason to bring it back to the forefront.

Lets all just wish her a pleasant and productive future in her new life.

[superduper]

But it sounds like Victoria quitting means Mr. Czarky has quit, which leaves Kovi and Luxx in a pickle, because Mr. Czarky was really the creative force behind Kovi and Luxx, and Mr. Czarky would want Victoria out of the business anyway, regardless of the scandal, but the scandal just made for a big bust up, with a whole lotta blaming going on.

So Kovi might blame Victoria for losing Mya Diamond and Mr. Czarky.

Then it seems there is no new top model or superstar at Luxx, so it seems the fallout or aftermath of the whole Victoria business has ripped Luxx apart.

Will Luxx and Kovi ever recover, because losing Mr. Czarky is what really matters ?