why is porn becoming so boring?

[Priapus]

PORN is KING!

The KING is DEAD!!

LONG LIVE the KING!!!

What's all the Fuss?

[pplolo]

well lots off things have been said

first about the porn industry and p2p:

in 2002:Now pornography is a multi-billion dollar business that has doubled in size in the last five years.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/business/

It is estimated that Americans now spend somewhere around $10 billion a year on adult entertainment, which is as much as they spend attending professional sporting events, buying music or going out to the movies.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/21/60minutes/main585049.shtml

i think that p2p is mostly used by kiddies which do not have the resources nor the rights to access explicit content.What is funny about p2p debate is that producers denouncing techniques they use to propagate their business(viral marketing).
If you consider p2p discussion on a strict legal point of view claiming the application of the full extent of the law to everybody I am also wondering
why companies like ddf productions(21sextury,clubsandy,pixandvideo etc)
are registered in tax havens like gibraltar or virgin islands.
Obviously this is semi legal ,and if you agree to apply the law for everybody these companies should pay about 30 % of taxes on their already juicy benefits what they obviously don t.So all in all you would need the p2p regulation translating in a 25% increase in their benefits to compensate the payment of taxes...i doubt this would happen.
Without assking the question whether there is money laundering in this business and who is pulling the string behind the flashy,glamour curtain....

And we should also not forget that porn is somehow the tip of the iceberg,
because this business also created a new kind of "tourism",with low cost companies dumping waves of western young adults into eastern capitals
seeking cheap "escorting" services during orgy week ends.


On a stricter consumer point of view i do not think the early 2000 years would come back,because porn networks have been settled and new girls are channelled into the business through these networks so at least they now know what they are here for if they have not been forced into it(Russian teen sites popping up).
The 1990 early 2000 years where pioneers years ,porn was an experience for everybody now there is a lot of managers ready to get more bucks so the point of view is very different.
if you remember the early years of the dreamstash site , the guy was beeing quarrelled by his neighbours because his lights were sucking all the power available for the building.
Even adventurous girls could have a normal life because the net was still very scarcely available in eastern countries.

Now there is a quest for novelty but in my opinion the only remaining novelty would be to have a movie with for example a strap on with bambi and sandy strapping rocco in the ass lol!!

[alexxx]

well lots off things have been said

And we should also not forget that porn is somehow the tip of the iceberg,
because this business also created a new kind of "tourism",with low cost companies dumping waves of western young adults into eastern capitals
seeking cheap "escorting" services during orgy week ends.

...if they have not been forced into it(Russian teen sites popping up).

Welll, I didn't enter the debate because I though to have said everything in the past...
Shortly: it's true porn is a big business in the total value but I never met any billionaire working in the biz (except Hugh Hefner and some private investor... who is covered by the fact those companies have HQ in Gibraltar or so on...).
If you want to stay in the biz you have to work. This is valid for evryone: the girls who must be able to perform almost any kind of scene; the producers who must keep up the financing; the agents who must have always a newbie to present in the sets...
But nobody is forcing these ladies.
You could be surprised but here in St Petersburg where I am now it is not difficult to find 18-19 yo ladies ready for porn.
This surprise even me because few years ago it was not easy to find a newbie doing deepthroating and DP and fisting!
Now they are ok and for sure they will find job because the market is big and even a niche is important.
I understand your point if you feel too much driven by the market-money but porn is not romance (also if you can mix).
And after all, looking at the numbers, I would say people prefer the actual porn instead of that of the past...

[Priapus]

well lots off things have been said

first about the porn industry and p2p:

in 2002:Now pornography is a multi-billion dollar business that has doubled in size in the last five years.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/business/

It is estimated that Americans now spend somewhere around $10 billion a year on adult entertainment, which is as much as they spend attending professional sporting events, buying music or going out to the movies.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/21/60minutes/main585049.shtml

i think that p2p is mostly used by kiddies which do not have the resources nor the rights to access explicit content.What is funny about p2p debate is that producers denouncing techniques they use to propagate their business(viral marketing).
If you consider p2p discussion on a strict legal point of view claiming the application of the full extent of the law to everybody I am also wondering
why companies like ddf productions(21sextury,clubsandy,pixandvideo etc)
are registered in tax havens like gibraltar or virgin islands.
Obviously this is semi legal ,and if you agree to apply the law for everybody these companies should pay about 30 % of taxes on their already juicy benefits what they obviously don t.So all in all you would need the p2p regulation translating in a 25% increase in their benefits to compensate the payment of taxes...i doubt this would happen.
Without assking the question whether there is money laundering in this business and who is pulling the string behind the flashy,glamour curtain....

And we should also not forget that porn is somehow the tip of the iceberg,
because this business also created a new kind of "tourism",with low cost companies dumping waves of western young adults into eastern capitals
seeking cheap "escorting" services during orgy week ends.


On a stricter consumer point of view i do not think the early 2000 years would come back,because porn networks have been settled and new girls are channelled into the business through these networks so at least they now know what they are here for if they have not been forced into it(Russian teen sites popping up).
The 1990 early 2000 years where pioneers years ,porn was an experience for everybody now there is a lot of managers ready to get more bucks so the point of view is very different.
if you remember the early years of the dreamstash site , the guy was beeing quarrelled by his neighbours because his lights were sucking all the power available for the building.
Even adventurous girls could have a normal life because the net was still very scarcely available in eastern countries.

Now there is a quest for novelty but in my opinion the only remaining novelty would be to have a movie with for example a strap on with bambi and sandy strapping rocco in the ass lol!!

You've said a mouthful here, and we'd all be well advised to read your posts carefully. It seems you've got a handle on both the economic and legal aspects of the thing here, and you back it up with credible references. I'm a relative newcomer to the Internet, so i missed the whole Napster and Kazaa craze, but i suspect that a higher percentage of pirated porn is being downloaded nowadays than ever before. With music there's probably still a strong sense of loyalty among the youngins for their bands; so they're willing to adopt a pay-as-you-can approach, (though i doubt, knowing human nature, this represents any long-term business model). As for porn, on the other hand, it's just too easy to adopt a "what-the-fuck-its-only-smut" attitude and feel you're only ripping off a hopelessly corrupt and exploitative industry. It's quite absurd to expect any sort of "honor system" out of porn junkies.

As for whether the girls ultimately suffer more or not from pTOp, that's hardly the point. Most girls have little leverage to bargain with, as there's always another deserving girl (or hideous MILF) waiting to take the nasty. If you consider the producers, agents and directors as the pimps that they are (not to be insulting, there are after all descent pimps and criminal pimps, but let's call a spade a spade), then we'd all rather just tip the bitch and forget the ponce. But that's not the way in any entertainment field from opera & theatre to sports to rock-n-roll to gonzo porn. Whoever sets it up and distributes gets the cut off the top (but they take the risk) -- everyone else punches the clock and accepts their wages gladly. Unless they're punk rockers or the girl-next-door, your local independent sex worker.

Prostitution ::: the world's oldest profession.

PORN ::: the world's oldest art form.

[bakerboy]

why is porn becoming so boring?

Similar dick, different pussy,face or ass...SAME action. NO imagination. NONE what so ever ! Meat and potatoes for the masses. Anyone with ANY imagination gets turned off fast.

[Naturalfan]

Similar dick, different pussy,face or ass...SAME action. NO imagination. NONE what so ever ! Meat and potatoes for the masses. Anyone with ANY imagination gets turned off fast.

That's my opinion too. It's all the same.
Anal, dp, dpp, dap, a2m, triple, blablabla... and what next? four, five, six in the ass? And one in the nose and one in the ear?

There was a time when this was exciting because it was new. But now it's all the same. Even the girls, while certainly there are some very pretty ones, often look the same, with absolutely no personality.

I'm now a member of abbywinters.com. I'm not related to that site and don't want to advertise, but this site is really different to the 1000 russian dap-"incest"-teen-ass-throat-sites. Some of the girls there may be not as perfect as you like it, but all look natural and their personality is respected.

Even the girl-girl-scenes are 100 times more erotic than the usual pussy or ass fingering stuff from sapphicerotica and lezcuties.

Well, you're right, this is only my personal opinion. Different people, different tastes.

[bakerboy]

Aye Aye say I to the post above. I do not know Abby Winters but will go lookie as these girls are fresh looking...as for me I get my fill of erotica in more soft sites like http://www.boundheat.com also a bit different girls:

[alexxx]

Also if I can share some opinions (no taste, same action, different pussies...) I cannot say actual porn is boring because the incredible offer is providing now a big sexual entertainment to all the men and women, young and older, from all over the world.
It is repetitive maybe but what do you expect from the most ancient activity known by men and women?
The act is the same but pussies and dicks change and can make a different result..
Some acts like DAP and DP were well known few years ago but now they are freely available on screen. This is an additional offer the production is giving to the spectator. Interracial sex which was a real taboo in some countries like the USA now is becoming more and more appreciated.
And, also if somebody could say it is for perverts, now some old men can enjoy sex between young and attractive ladies and old guys and, besides any additional consideration, there’s a huge demand for that.
Also other niches are developing: lesbian, bisex, transgender...
And, just to avoid misunderstanding, there are not just sites like humantoiletbowls.com around. Even for fisting you can have totally different approaches from different websites.
For sure you cannot be interested in everything but you should recognize that everybody now can find what he desires.
Stop with the old porno seen again and again… now everyday you find in the shelf or in the Net a new product with new talents ready to provide entertainment.
And also erotic sites now are flourishing and allowing the subscribers to see new girls in softcore or hardcore scenes.
Years ago few erotic sites were on-line. Now they are developing fast and in some cases they take viewers like you from hardcore sites.
But it is true there are more and more fans of deepthroating (which after all remember the famous movie from the Golden Age of porn) and anal gaping. And like for action movies there are producers and actresses who are better than others.
Now it is time to provide such entertainment but this doesn’t mean you will be forgotten by somebody-else.

[dap-addict]

Now it is time to provide such entertainment but this doesn’t mean you will be forgotten by somebody-else.

I think porn is boring for those who have seen too much or are too nostalgic about the Golden Age.
In this case just take a break and try it later again (or leave it).

But all this talk about porn becoming more extreme etc. is just bullshit. Some acts are more common today than they were some time ago, some others were more common than. With acts it`s like with fashion - all comes and goes in waves.
And as porn is shot with real pepole still there are real limits, too. DAP is more common than 20 years ago, triple anal is possible (but way too difficult to film), Sandra Romain for instance did it, but quatro not, and nose penetration is also not possible. And that`s just it. It`s completely normal for humankind (porn producers included) to test the limits, but wheter something becomes a fashion or not, id decided to a great extent by the customers.
Most important however, as alexxx says, no fetish is left out.
Just search the net for your taste!

[Naturalfan]

I think porn is boring for those who have seen too much or are too nostalgic about the Golden Age.
In this case just take a break and try it later again (or leave it).

In my opinion it's rather the other way round: stop watching porn for 3 weeks, then you don't need 2 black cocks in a 19 year old, disgusted looking girl anymore to get sexually stimulated - it will disgust yourself probably.

Instead of looking at all these cocks you will prefer watching a self-confident, proud looking, maybe even intelligent young woman telling something funny about herself while slowly undressing and then taking a shower. Just as an example... The rest does your fantasy, if it hasn't been blunted by all the mechanical porn before.

Sure, as already said, this is only a matter of taste. But what is really a pitty in my opinion, is that there are so many really beautiful, erotic women in eastern europe, especially russia, but simply no sites with such more subtle content, which would probably better be produced by women (see abbywinters). Instead they produce Teen Tryouts 57, 58, ...

[alexxx]

Sure, as already said, this is only a matter of taste. But what is really a pitty in my opinion, is that there are so many really beautiful, erotic women in eastern europe, especially russia, but simply no sites with such more subtle content, which would probably better be produced by women (see abbywinters). Instead they produce Teen Tryouts 57, 58, ...

You are right but attitude towards sex is different in Russia.
There's a lot of romance but Russians are very concrete.
Force and power are something very present everywhere... also in sex!
This explains in my eyes why (besides monesy's matter) there's no problem for shooting extreme scenes with newbies....

[paroxysmia]

There's a lot of romance but Russians are very concrete.

That's right, money is really concrete for them !

All Russian girls I saw in my country (students, etc) were money leechers !!

Fashion, clothes, parties etc...

[ubertop]

You confirm what I think.
If you only had to work to stay in the porn business, then why so many girls who are ready to perform very hard action do not stay in it ?
(as you admit it yourself)
Why such beautiful and fantastic performers (as Wiska ... and others ) cannot make more films and make good money with their work ?
Because this porn business is ruled by a mafia of ridiculous amateurs.
The commercial distribution is erratic.
It is not a matter of work of the girls, but of lack of organization and cleverness of producers.
As long as stupid and cynical people will rule the market, porn will remain poor and boring, because the best girls have no personal interest to stay in it.

[/quote]

If you want to stay in the biz you have to work. This is valid for evryone: the girls who must be able to perform almost any kind of scene; the producers who must keep up the financing; the agents who must have always a newbie to present in the sets...
But nobody is forcing these ladies.
You could be surprised but here in St Petersburg where I am now it is not difficult to find 18-19 yo ladies ready for porn.
This surprise even me because few years ago it was not easy to find a newbie doing deepthroating and DP and fisting!
Now they are ok and for sure they will find job because the market is big and even a niche is important.
I understand your point if you feel too much driven by the market-money but porn is not romance (also if you can mix).
And after all, looking at the numbers, I would say people prefer the actual porn instead of that of the past...[/quote]

[ubertop]

In what country are you ?
Why do you insult Russian girls ?
They have no moral lessons to receive from western people.
Do you think that american and european countries are not greedy about money ? They have devastated this planet only to make profit !
Don't you understand that Russian girls despise such people as you !

There's a lot of romance but Russians are very concrete.

That's right, money is really concrete for them !

All Russian girls I saw in my country (students, etc) were money leechers !!

Fashion, clothes, parties etc...

[sbando]

Definitely, newsgroups and forums ruined my porn experience.
Then, my own site DESTROYED said experience.

In much the same way, forums regarding Friends/Buffy/The Simpsons/X-Files/etc. made me lose any interest in those series for a long while.

I've now reached the conclusion that NOT GIVING A RAT'S SHIT about Internet people is the way to go.