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[krull]

Absolutely, they're still investigating whilst the accused is in prison and every indication seems to be that the prosecution call the shots, the judge does whatever they request. I mean the reasons why Torbe is still detained baffles me, the media says it clearly, that the case is still open and active and according to said prosecution, there is still a risk of destruction of evidence and Torbe causing violence. Yet those exact same reasons seem to be lost on *** and Mila who if you believe that last article have been trafficking girls with signs of abuse across borders in a prostitution ring and the former of the two is the mastermind behind all this.. yet they're both free on the streets of Madrid somewhere, so what the fucking fuck?! My take is that this investigation is indeed going nowhere and the police are desperately trying to find something to pin on him and the others so this hasn't been a complete waste of time. The two key witnesses have told very serious lies and Torbe's version of events thus far match up with all the evidence available. Torbe is certainly not a flight risk, his lawyers offered to withdraw his passport as a bail condition but was refused. It seems like they're going to keep him in prison until they finish this investigation.. what happens when it all comes to nothing? They'll be lucky if they don't get sued and not just by Torbe...

[krull]

I thought that this might come up and it has, El Espanol speak of Torbe's cop friend within the Policia Nacional being his "mole":

http://www.elespanol.com/espana/politic ... 690_0.html

Police noticed in the months they were tracking Torbe that at some point he changed his procedures and routines, thus they believed that Torbe had an "inside man" to inform him what was happening. From tapped conversations between Torbe and Fran that the newspaper La Razon recently printed HERE, Torbe speaks of his conversation with a cop friend of his where he was told that the 17 year old girl had denounced him but that she was not a minor (although she was when he recorded with her). According to the research available, it is believed that the alleged police contact was not part of the units actively investigating Torbe and that there is no internal affairs case yet looking into possible collusion. The article concludes by explaining that the information was included in the FIES file, which is a system of control concerned with people who are considered to be extremely dangerous and belong to terrorist organisations and major criminal gangs.

I think that this is just another thing they're trying to build up from nothing, Torbe has a friend within the police who told him about something that they shouldn't have and if they are found out then that will be very serious, but I doubt it extends to actually undermining any investigation. I mean we're talking three major units of the Spanish police against two people, it certainly didn't stop them from arresting Torbe and he was actively bringing the Ukrainian girls for months whilst the police were listening in to things, so if he knew.. he did nothing to prevent it. Nice of them to acknowledge La Razon's findings at long last, can we stop referring to Torbe as a sex offender now perhaps? This FIES thing.. Jesus, putting Torbe in the same classification as terrorists and criminal gangs with evidence so utterly thin and witnesses telling giant porkie pies, what a fucking circus!

[krull]

Ana Rosa's latest about the battered Ukrainian prostitutes and terrible ordeal of recording bukkakes

http://www.telecinco.es/elprogramadeana ... 05020.html

Two months on and police have found no evidence that criminal acts were committed by De Gea and Muniain beyond the testimony of TP3:

http://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/20 ... o_1249800/

Apparently she tried to sell her testimony to the media for money before she contacted the police!

The judge also does not believe there is anything to her claims:

http://www.diarioinformacion.com/nacion ... 97934.html

What a surprise...! What about that police claim of "high credibility"?? Can this "witness" be kicked out now and fined for wasting everyone's time, and you know maybe think about freeing Torbe since it's being established more and more that he's imprisoned because of total bullshit? It's beyond tragic!

[krull]

A little while ago I suggested that our information about the Ukrainians could be filtered to the press... surprise!

http://okdiario.com/investigacion/2016/ ... ban-331806

FREE TORBE!

[Dr Proctor]

A little while ago I suggested that our information about the Ukrainians could be filtered to the press... surprise!

http://okdiario.com/investigacion/2016/ ... ban-331806

FREE TORBE!

Responses are positive. Which is good. In 99% cases when something seems too much. It is TOO MUCH. Which means a full picture shows completely different scenario. I'm amazed how fast people jump to conclusions that are based on a snippets of facts and not on a full story. We have internet now days. Do a research. We spent some time doing a detailed research on Ukrainian issue. Yes most of it will not go public because we respect girls privacy. Yes some girls worked in escorts others are just average girls what wanted money. All the facts are pointing to a conclusion. All girls were well aware of job ahead. Noone was forced. Some didnt like the results but this in normal. If you never done it before you may not like it a the end. Torbe actually went to Ukraine in August last year to finalize the plan. He got payed well. Girls got payed very well. One girl was arrested and to get out of this mess she just signed papers given by police. She was just trying to get out as fast as possible. Footballers issue. Of cuz if you want to have a party you call a person who has contacts. Referrals are the key stone of any business. Someone in government/police decided that there shell be a show trial to show that they are standing strong for morals and christian values. So they found a scapegoat in a face of Torbe. When a judge is back from his vacation... I hope we will hear some good news.

[krull]

Article is being discussed on a few forums I found from doing a bit of searching...

http://www.burbuja.info/inmobiliaria/te ... adrid.html
http://foroparalelo.com/general/caso-to ... id-465545/
http://misandria.info/f4/de-gea-y-munia ... #post52864

I get the impression for some Okdiario is not a "credible" source of news probably because it's on a certain side in Spanish politics or something, plus it's online only whereas media like El Espanol is online and is a printed newspaper also, sold countrywide, so it has dominance..

[campeon]

Hell:

Neither El Español, nor OK Diario are printed newspapers. Both are web only.

But OK Diario has less credibility due to the fact it has printed some fake police reports in the past in high profile political issues. It is considered to be less "serious".

Nevertheless some part of the press (not TV) is starting to deliver more accurate information about the case.

[krull]

Sorry my bad, I thought The Spanish was a printed paper as well, I stand corrected!

Faked police reports? Yikes, that explains a lot.. I guess that's just bad sources though more than anything, we've had plenty of that kind of thing in media here.

Well there's not been any news for a week or so other than our article, this is a good thing imho...

[krull]

Okdiario's latest about our information on the Ukrainians, the video of Kira's happy dance in front of the police after her bukkake!

http://okdiario.com/investigacion/2016/ ... iar-358317

FREE TORBE!

[Dr Proctor]

Just something I found in some archives.

[krull]

Fuck... this case could now go international, the prosecution has requested help in the investigation from the Ukrainian courts:

http://okdiario.com/investigacion/2016/ ... 363-365363

The chief prosecutor Maria Jesus Rodriguez, has submitted letters rogatory to the judge in order to request the Ukrainian courts assistance in order to contact the girls who took part in the bukkakes, such a step has the potential to extend the investigation for months. Said letter was sent in July and lead to the bail of *** and Mila under the understanding that the investigation would extend in time. Apparently *** paid €50,000 and Mila's bill was just €1,000. Another court rejected bail for Torbe on the grounds that the circumstances which lead to prison have not changed.

Well first of all the idea of asking a country where an independent judiciary is non-existent and human trafficking/tax evasion and money laundering is an everyday occurrence is absolutely ridiculous! It's not known if the letter has actually been sent to Ukraine yet or not but the fact that it's in the pipeline isn't good. I think the prosecution has nothing since their so called witness is now part of the defence. They don't care about the truth, they just want to win the case so they can get a nice a pat on the back from their superiors, so they're going to try and get any of the other girls to testify against Torbe, ***, Mila and everyone else charged in order to justify this asinine "investigation" and keep Torbe locked up for months... Once again the Spanish courts are deaf, dumb and blind... how is there no change in circumstances? The fucking witnesses have lied in their testimonies under oath for goodness sake, much of what was said that lead to the charges has been disassembled.. how is he still in prison??? It defies belief...

[krull]

As if things weren't bad enough with the above revelation, Ana Rosa's latest programme features the audio from a tapped phone conversation between Torbe and his friend Fran mentioned in a transcript in a previous edition of the show:

http://www.telecinco.es/elprogramadeana ... 30043.html

For reference, HERE is the original transcript. He discusses with Fran about apparently contacting the father directly and asking for her to agree to either carry on shooting porn or getting his money back for the scenes recorded. If there is no agreement, he will threaten to leak her scenes on the internet and will say that his computer was stolen when thieves broke into his office.

One thing that is important to realise at the time of the conversation the girl had turned 18, so she was not a minor and his friend in the police had told him that she was not underage.. it is possible that he didn't realise at that moment that she was under 18 when he recorded her scenes. Still, the fact that he is hiding all this by thinking of staging a robbery to cover up his part in this does not look good and given the similar situation with the BPD girl you can see why the police have connected some dots there. In any case, the girl was a minor when she recorded her scenes and thus he would have been leaking child pornography. I don't know what to make of it, that's clearly Torbe's voice and he seems very anxious about the situation, not calm at all so he could just have been thinking out loud rather than formulating some kind of scheme... or not.

The full conversation is audio only.. so for our Spanish speakers, what does he actually say word for word?

Also according to Ana Rosa, Torbe has lost many friends in this fiasco and Putalocura has had no subscribers for months, with many members claiming their money back:

http://www.telecinco.es/elprogramadeana ... 30070.html

Don't know how credible these claims about Putalocura are, honestly no idea what more to say about all this...

[olga cabaeva]

He doesn't want to stage any robbery,he just told to Fran to put her scenes in internet for free because if a girl or her father want to remove the scene,they should pay him,if not he will put it in internet everywhere. And Torbe would tell them there was a robbery in his office and somebody stoled his computer,so he doesn't know who put her video in internet.
Btw,noone company will remove your video if you ask them. They will request huge amount of money for it or,probably,just ignore you.
In the second video journalists told that Torbe 's dog was sacrificated because he bited somebody and his cat was missed. His friends didn't want to tell him about this for quiet long time..
Also many friends don't want to have anything else with Nacho. He didn't replay any letters because of filtration of Info in public

[krull]

Thanks Olga, obviously translators are always flawed...

Right.. so he would tell the father that there was a robbery not the police? That makes more sense... So like the BPD girl, it's not blackmail but recouping the expenses from filming, production, employee wages etc since as far as he has been told she is of age (which she was at that point) and the videos are his.

Of course that's why there are contracts and release forms, once you sign on the dotted line and enter into the agreement, the content becomes the property of the company. The problem is, from conversations Torbe had with colleagues, he didn't actually get to sign any contract with her due to his secretary being away allegedly. So it's not clear if he actually had any written documents proving he owned the rights to the videos he recorded with her. Still, he never knew she was a minor when he filmed with her because as we know she used fake identification and he has proof of that and she confessed it to the police in June.

Ramona is dead?? That's going to upset a fair few people...

Well.. when you end up in prison, I think you quickly discover who your real friends are... sad but true.

[krull]

...and it gets worse still..

According to the police, they insist he knew that he had been working with minor(s):

http://www.telecinco.es/elprogramadeana ... 55055.html

They analyzed conversations with Torbe and a friend (perhaps Fran again) and verified on the computer that Torbe had kept the identity cards. He also kept the photos/videos on his phone and wished to talk to the father of one (I assume that refers to "blackmail" father). There are conversations in which Torbe and a friend speak of having material of a girl of 16 years old and knew how to hide files on their computers and spread more private file transfers on other pages. The police are adamant that Torbe is guilty of the possession and distribution of child pornography.

Footage of Torbe's arrest is also seen whilst asleep with his girlfriend Susy Blue:

http://www.telecinco.es/elprogramadeana ... 55025.html

When questioned, he says he has never worked with children and it is all the envy of others...

They talk about Susy Blue in more detail:

http://www.telecinco.es/elprogramadeana ... 55067.html

What an absolute invasion of privacy! How can the media publish footage like this before the man is even convicted of anything? It's a disgrace...

As for the minors claims.. I have little to say but why would Torbe keep the DNIs of underage girls? I notice that they're not saying "producing child pornography" anymore...

As always I don't know what they say in the actual videos...

[edit]Fucking assholes even put screencaps of her twitter posts, now she's going to get trolls invading her page, ridiculous!