Syphilis Outbreak in Budapest

[alexxx]

I'm curious to see if something will change about regular tests and stricter controls on those holding 2 activities at the same time.
The problem is that nobody can really control what actors-actresses do on their 2nd life+there's a continous and needed flow of badly-checked newbies/newcomers+(more important) few* wants to pay for such prevention/checking costs.
Final result: it will likely continue as a roulette until the next case.Or not?


After all I remember those saying "it's just a quickie casting...she looks virgin...I've made sluttier scenes...it's just a paperwork...bla bla bla"


* there are some honest producers/agents willing to pay but then who buys/distribute their products is not willing to give any extra penny....and this cause again the problem somewhere.

[dap-addict]

Read more on US forums and it seems Rocco gets through with his claim that it started in Russia, than came to Budapest from where Mr. Marcus brought it to the US.
If thats true it looks really bad for the established Piter-Budapest export route.

[Ricardo Soli]

I think the most important on what Rocco said, is the following :

"He pointed to girls doing too much private escort work outside of their porn scenes as the likely reason for the outbreak.

“This is my opinion that too many girls are doing double work because there is not too much work in the [porn] business like before. So they do some escorting,” Siffredi said. “When you get that blood test that’s valid in Europe for one month, and then do escorting one week and come back to the business without making a new test that would cause the problem.

“I know for a fact that many, many girls are escorting.”

Siffredi said that he’ll often call an agency and ask if a girl is available and they’ll tell him, “Oh, they are in Switzerland.”

“We don’t shoot in Switzerland,” Siffredi said.

He also said he had received two different phone calls from agents asking for his help in recruiting porn girls to travel to Switzerland for privates.

“I told them we call this prostitution, and I can’t help you,” Siffredi said.

The situation in Budapest is unlike anything he has previously experienced in his career, Siffredi added.

“Twenty-seven years in this business and I’ve never seen such a big mess in porn,” he said.

Siffredi also cited serious concerns about one production company that he claimed shoots orgy scenes with established porn girls and several dozen civilian guys who come to the shoots without being properly tested for STIs.“They have to sign some kind of authorization they will be filming,” Siffredi claimed. “Those guys come with no test and have to wear a rubber. And after 10 to 15 minutes, everybody pulls off the rubber.

“I don’t understand. After the orgy, you test the girl again and more than enough of them, they have gonorrhea. I was really angry with the agencies that they permit this kind of thing. It seems now there is no more too much care about this business like there used to be. I don’t understand why this thing is happening. We shouldn’t be mixed with normal people [who don’t do porn for a living].”

And this is what all production companies, and agencies should do, to stop this kind of stories in the future. EVERY ADULT MODEL LISTED ANYWHERE AS ESCORT should work with max. 1 day old full labtest from now on

The story of Amirah Adara- started with asking me to make her become famous,as pornstar, and I did my best for it. When she was in Hungary in the magazines front page as "new pornstarlet"- she immediately decided to do escort... ( I think it was a hidden strategy behind ). I stopped to work with she, letting my competitors-sending girls in Wien to continue as they want, and to work with her. I feeled will come the day when this will make problems. So, together with Rocco we made the legal steps on to not be involved in this shit because of others don't care about. Now everybody can have the result. Don't ask me if Amirah Adara is infected with syphilis, or not, because I can't tell you :cry:

"
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: RS Kft. <info@roccosiffredi.com>
Date: 2011/7/19
Subject: Fwd: letter - Dóra Angyal
To: X-clusive Model Agency <info@x-clusive.hu>


Hi Ricardo,

This what they answered to me yesterday /below you can read/ and see what I answered to them today.

Best Regards,
Rocco


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: RS Kft. <info@roccosiffredi.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: letter - Dóra Angyal
To: TERMINPORNBABES <info@terminpornbabes.com>



Dear Terminpornbabes,

I understand that you don’t know who I am or maybe you don’t do things just by talking and I respect that.

So that’s why I forward you Dóra Angyal’s IDs, HIV test, and the signed contract all what we need to do a production here.


See attached them.


I hope now you believe us.



Waiting your prompt reply.



Best regards,

Rocco Siffredi


2011/7/18 TERMINPORNBABES <info@terminpornbabes.com>

Dear Rocco,

dora angyal has given us the photos for her advertisement in our house . We think the photos pertain dora.
I dont know who you are and i dont care how you are .
show us the contract that you are the owner of the right of these pictures.
And we will immediately stopp to use the photos.
If you cant present us any contracts or right , dont contact us anymore !

**********************************************
Residenz tpb
Anton Bruckner Gasse 13

2345 Brunn am Gebirge

Austria

Tel.: 0043 (0) 2236 360 531
info@terminpornbabes.com
http://www.terminpornbabes.com

Von: RS Kft. [mailto:info@roccosiffredi.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 18. Juli 2011 15:58
An: info@terminpornbabes.com
Betreff: letter - Dóra Angyal

Dear Terminpornbabes,

I as Rocco Tano, the owner and president of the Rocco Siffredi Kft. found that you are using my production pictures to promote the girl called Amirah, her legal name is D�ra Angyal.

She, Amirah never told that she uses the pictures for escort site to promote herself for this kind of work.
Kindly ask you to pull out from your website and never use anywhere the pictures since we are not connecting to this kind of work and not be connected.
We are asking you immediately stop to use these pictures which belongs to Rocco Siffredi Kft. production.
In two days needs to be pull out and remove of the site, otherwise� we will start very strong legal action against you and against Amirah since she stole the pictures and lied by asking the pictures for only her private using.
I hope we get fast reply and positive ending.
�
Have� a nice day
�
Best regards,
Rocco �Siffredi "

[Patrick2]

There is some possibly new info on MR Marcus and this may truly point to him as being patient zero. He did an interview for the Daily Beast (see link).http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/27/mr-marcus-on-why-he-kept-quiet-about-syphilis-that-sparked-porn-industry-scare.html

Here is what Mike South wrote about the interview.

"Mister Marcus revealed that when his doctor found Syphilis it was in stage two. Stage Two or secondary Syphilis is a very different treatment from stage 1 or primary Syphilis, It is a regimen of 1 shot a week for three weeks and a follow up test to make sure that they cured it. so his statement that his doctor gave him a shot and told him he would be OK to work in ten days is more bullshit.

He also seems to indicate that he was first diagnosed in June, regardless if its June or July It takes syphilis 1 to 3 months to progress to stage two, so it means he was infected and positive in May, probably in April and possibly in March as well.

If he told the FSC that he was in the secondary stages they and APHSS have perpetrated a GIANT fraud you should all know that secondary Syphilis is HIGHLY contagious, it affects not just the genitals but all of your lymph nodes and mucus membranes and can be passed simply by kissing."

If Like is correct then Mr Marcus window of infection is earlier than June or July so that means people will have to further back to find out when they might have been infected.

[Engineer]

this is a real plague/epidemic

[erikwil]

Have there been any cases in Prague or is it just in Budapest? Starting to get worried

[Patrick2]

this is a real plague/epidemic

I agree and unless most studios had a few weeks to a couple of months of stockpiled scenes than they are going to be in deep shit when members start complaining that there aren't any new scenes being added. Not too mention all the performers who live from paycheck to paycheck and are now without possibility of working for many weeks to come. It's bad news all around and probably worse news for all of those people that want their porn condomless. Anyone pushing that agenda is sure to use this recent outbreak to promote their pint of view. Luckily for me I'm on the I don't care camp so condom or no condom is not a problem for me.

[Am0rIn0]

Have there been any cases in Prague or is it just in Budapest? Starting to get worried

Only a few till now in czech biz... seems overthere most bg productions are stopped at the moment till every active model is tested.

[alexxx]

this is a real plague/epidemic

I agree and unless most studios had a few weeks to a couple of months of stockpiled scenes than they are going to be in deep shit when members start complaining that there aren't any new scenes being added. Not too mention all the performers who live from paycheck to paycheck and are now without possibility of working for many weeks to come. It's bad news all around and probably worse news for all of those people that want their porn condomless. Anyone pushing that agenda is sure to use this recent outbreak to promote their pint of view. Luckily for me I'm on the I don't care camp so condom or no condom is not a problem for me.

I think we could wisely accept a period with condom-shootings. It would be smart also to explain "why this" at the beginning of movies or in the websites even if it may also sound depressing to some customers. This would really teach somebody to viewers... especially the young ones.
Having said this, I'm sure this agreement would be difficult to be reached especially with outsiders.
It is also true that even if some illness can be considered professional the situation seems now very serious as we are not speaking of common bacterial infections but something which may lead to serious injuries or death.
And in some countries this may bring people in the justice courts as it is considered an offence to spread voluntarily (or without reasonable attention) illnesses.
I'm just wondering that this would kick off the stage some bastard for a while...

[dap-addict]

If escort trips are really the main source as Rocco says, than condoms wont solve anything.
A very strict testing regime would do more good for porn.
Until production can resume porn fans have to switch for probabely many months to their old scene collections on HD and dvd.
A lot of starlets active in Summer 2012 may retire in the meantime, though.

[Am0rIn0]

Condoms would decrease infection risk. but how much?

Syphilis can also be transfered by other fluids. Also by kissing and pussy oral, it would be difficult to use condoms for lesbo scenes...

[Ricardo Soli]

The only way of prevention is to work only with people are devoted to be adult performers, and never prostitutes So sorry, but until we agree tro work with SUPERSTARS THEY CAN DO ANYTHING, BECAUSE THEY'RE FAMOUS, better we take double condom and not only on our dick, on our head too.
Every fuckin escort girl, which was once listed somewhere, and does'nt find the way to prouve she'snt her the real one is , or it was listed as escort, SHOULD WORK IN SEXUAL INTERCOURSE (EVEN SOFT) SCENES WITH FULL LABTEST NOT OLDER THAN 24 hours

The other posible way, is to do like Marcellino from Classmedia, having his own laboratory, and doctor whom is testing every performer just before to work even if he's coming with fresh full labtest to work But we know this is a bunch of money, so better we put those WHORES whom make enough money with the escort to take more care about our health

[Am0rIn0]

The only way of prevention is to work only with people are devoted to be adult performers, and never prostitutes So sorry, but until we agree tro work with SUPERSTARS THEY CAN DO ANYTHING, BECAUSE THEY'RE FAMOUS, better we take double condom and not only on our dick, on our head too.
Every fuckin escort girl, which was once listed somewhere, and does'nt find the way to prouve she'snt her the real one is , or it was listed as escort, SHOULD WORK IN SEXUAL INTERCOURSE (EVEN SOFT) SCENES WITH FULL LABTEST NOT OLDER THAN 24 hours

The other posible way, is to do like Marcellino from Classmedia, having his own laboratory, and doctor whom is testing every performer just before to work even if he's coming with fresh full labtest to work But we know this is a bunch of money, so better we put those WHORES whom make enough money with the escort to take more care about our health

absolutely true.

my conclusion is that i dont book models anymore when i find out that they do escort. not only because of health risks also because of their mentality. imho prostitutes only do it because of money, not for fun. most pure adult performers do it because of money AND fun. this year i canceled a model because i found out in this forum that she did a gb with bi boys 2 weeks before, than i also found out she also does escort. her negative test was still valid. end of story was that she was tested positive for clamydia a few weeks after. luckily i didnt work with her.

[STEMCELL]

Rocco and Pierre speaking at Pierre´s forum

http://www.woodmanforum.com/with-pierre ... t5633.html

Easy solution. Let the taliban kill every single pimp and hustler on the planet and the escort problem is gone

Rocco Siffredi: ‘89 to 100’ Syphilis-Positive Porn Performers in Europe

LOS ANGELES — Rocco Siffredi told XBIZ Friday that there are “89 to 100” adult performers currently infected with syphilis in three different Eastern European cities where porn is regularly shot — Budapest, Hungary, Prague, Czech Republic and St. Petersburg, Russia.

“We have a lot of positives for syphilis. We don’t really know where this came from, but I’m pretty sure it came from Russia before it came to Budapest in July,” said the 27-year veteran performer/director, whose namesake production company is based in Budapest and distributed by Evil Angel in the U.S.

“I heard of some people with syphilis in May in St. Petersburg. And during May I heard from Italian friends who were there that told me they had one or two cases of syphilis, so they had to stop working. But I guess the syphilis didn’t stay there. Somehow it spread out over to Budapest and Prague.”

Siffredi said he estimates about half, or more than 40, of the infected performers live in Budapest.

“Most of the [big-name] girls, they all have syphilis, nearly all of them,” he said.

The adult production community in Budapest this week extended its voluntary moratorium on shooting films through Sept. 3 due to the outbreak.

“Everybody is waiting to see who is going to make a decision about what,” Siffredi said. “Now they have moved the deadline to Sept. 3. Everybody should make a new test.”

Siffredi said it was his understanding that most of the infected performers there were receiving injections. But according to the information that’s been disseminated there, Hungarian performers must wait at least two months before returning to work because they may still be able to transmit the disease, he said.

“Here you can catch it even if you get the treatment. For two months you are always positive,” Siffredi said, noting he is aware that in Los Angeles, someone who receives an injection is said to no longer be contagious after 10 days. But he doesn’t understand why the time windows are so far apart.

“In the U.S. it’s 10 days, here they say it’s 60 days,” he said. “I’m trying to figure out what is the real thing. In the end of the story, nobody can work.”

Siffredi said his estimate of “89 to 100” infected actually is from “around two or three weeks ago.”

“Then I heard the news about syphilis [in L.A.] and the stories with Mr. Marcus,” Siffredi explained. “It came much faster than what I thought. I really thought we could isolate it in Europe.”

Siffredi said from the information he has gathered in Budapest that “it seems nobody has the same way to cure the people.”

“On my side I decided not to work anymore until this is clear,” he continued. “Because syphilis is very, very heavy shit. It’s not like HIV, but if you catch it two times in a row, like if you catch it right now and cure yourself, and then catch it again, then it will become much harder [to be cured of it]. I was very lucky not to catch it.

“My father died in July, so I was last shooting in June before this whole mess started in July. I don’t want to take the chance since lots of people have syphilis, so what’s the point. I want to see how the doctors will take care about this.”

Siffredi said he thinks there should only be one central testing lab in every country where performers go and “all the tests should be visible.”

“That’s another problem here,” he explained. “The lab didn’t want to give a name for the people who were infected because of the rules, the law. So it’s difficult to understand who’s infected. And then we had a fake test here too in Budapest. We heard a few people had fake tests. Some Romanian guy was making a fake test.”

The outbreak in St. Petersburg may be the most severe of the three cities, he suggested. “So many people are infected over there because they never stopped working,” according to Siffredi.

Siffredi said that he has learned that the syphilis problem in Eastern Europe is by no means limited to the porn population, noting that he even called his doctor in Italy who told him there has been “a big parade” of people coming in with syphilis that don’t work in porn.

He pointed to girls doing too much private escort work outside of their porn scenes as the likely reason for the outbreak.

“This is my opinion that too many girls are doing double work because there is not too much work in the [porn] business like before. So they do some escorting,” Siffredi said. “When you get that blood test that’s valid in Europe for one month, and then do escorting one week and come back to the business without making a new test that would cause the problem.

“I know for a fact that many, many girls are escorting.”

Siffredi said that he’ll often call an agency and ask if a girl is available and they’ll tell him, “Oh, they are in Switzerland.”

“We don’t shoot in Switzerland,” Siffredi said.

He also said he had received two different phone calls from agents asking for his help in recruiting porn girls to travel to Switzerland for privates.

“I told them we call this prostitution, and I can’t help you,” Siffredi said.

The situation in Budapest is unlike anything he has previously experienced in his career, Siffredi added.

“Twenty-seven years in this business and I’ve never seen such a big mess in porn,” he said.

Siffredi also cited serious concerns about one production company that he claimed shoots orgy scenes with established porn girls and several dozen civilian guys who come to the shoots without being properly tested for STIs.

“They have to sign some kind of authorization they will be filming,” Siffredi claimed. “Those guys come with no test and have to wear a rubber. And after 10 to 15 minutes, everybody pulls off the rubber.

“I don’t understand. After the orgy, you test the girl again and more than enough of them, they have gonorrhea. I was really angry with the agencies that they permit this kind of thing. It seems now there is no more too much care about this business like there used to be. I don’t understand why this thing is happening. We shouldn’t be mixed with normal people [who don’t do porn for a living].”

I personnaly share Rocco's feeling and both of us we have called some agencies telling them in June to be aware of the situation and put in quarantine all people coming from Russia at beginning of the summer. To be clear the new law in this country has pushed some people who never really show up any proof of their health to go away, in CZ and HU for instance, and of course my personnal feeling is the fact syphilis is arrived at same time in europe is not due to hasard !!!

ROCCO and ME, we want ALL agencies oblige ALL PERFORMERS from porn industry to present a full deep test before present themself on stage !!!

PW

[erofanboy]

about 100 performers positive three weeks ago? it's maybe simplistic view of me but does that mean that almost everybody with a little bit of a name in the euro bizz is positive?