Private is back

[gape]

Good question gape. Hard to talk about those specific scenes as I haven't seen them but for me what Private did so well was "set the scene" prior to the sex action, if you like. They allowed you to believe that what you were watching was spontaneous and naughty. It's the whole "suspension of disbelief" that a standard movie sets out to instill in its viewers. Porn isn't any different for me, I still want that premise. I want to forget that I'm watching Claudia Rossi or Sandra Romain film their umpteenth DP of the month and instead think I'm watching some horny secretary/air hostess etc. who just decided she wanted to bang a guy she just met who she thinks is cute.

21 Sextury basically make no such effort. There's a guy, there's a girl, they're in some lounge/bedroom you've seen a million times already, they're gonna fuck, there's no pretence of anything else. Often they won't even say anything to each other before they do so. Some people prefer this, I'm happy with that. I generally find it a non-starter though. It's just a glimpse into porn stars lives and usually comes across as very routine IMHO.

The former doesn't have to be lush or expensive, this is what annoys me a fair bit. It can just be a bit of well-written dialogue, some basic set-up (hell, even re-use the tired "pizza delivery boy" a million times, it's still something), anything that involves a little thought and effort really. It doesn't guarantee you good porn but it certainly does lay the foundations. With a gonzo set-up you have to really pull out all of the stops for me. It's just harder to make it look horny.

Chris, I agree.

Personally I was never a fan of the type of films with a whole story. I thought they were hideous, so the asstraffic etc was always good for me. Over time I've come to like some basic setups. DPfanatics do a few "pizza delivery boy" setups which is nice. AssHoleFever don't bother really. The whole package, inc picture quality really makes the likes of 21sextury Gonzo attractive.

At the moment I think there should be some more variety and new ideas.

[dap-addict]

Vulture: Yes, you are right.

Gonzo has imho nothing to do with the budget. Its style of filming, involving people that normally
stay behind the camera into the shot. Like director tellin what to do, position changes without a cut, dialogues with the crew and so on.
Unlike feature its a reality porn. For many people this reality part brought all the nastiness in.

Gonzo was an answer to the people that were no more believing those fake feature porn love stories.
If I remember old Rocco's gonzo movies, it was hell of a hot and nasty scenes.

I agree about the style of filming.
But most gonzo is much cheaper to produce for sure than feature films.
Gonzo just dont ask for built up nice locations or any kind of pre-sex script. If a girl has to play some role, and be it just opening the door to the pizza delivery boy, this costs some extra time to film. It makes the scene longer, i.e. more expensive. (Okay, Rocco is pure gonzo and he also need a lot of time to shoot) But generally speaking, apart from Roccos perfectionist approach, gonzo is cheaper to produce. Also because it suits the cheaper places like Piter.

21S for me is the middle of the road - nice locations not too cheap, gonzo style camera work but no director instructing the girls.
There was a time I bought lots of 21S dvds, but for 2-3 years I turned away from their formulaic set-up towards those Italian features. The sex there is as middle-of-the-way nasty as with 21S, but the set-up is better, the girls are usually dressed better - partly because Italians prefer traditional nylon stockings over fishnet.

At the same time I still do order Raul Cristians Eurobabe scenes missing in my collection as well as Russian gonzo - preferably shot by Italians.
What I watch depends on my mood.

[chris]

Private team in Venus Awards 2011

[Engineer]

these pornstars are so hot @ Venus

thanks chris!

[dap-addict]

All other are struggling or dying a slowly death.

Lou Charmelle just opened her site and there is a giant blog section where she tells the struggles and joys of a woman who tries to make a carreer in porn.

Bottom line :

Things are getting worse.

Rocco, the most famous performer in the world, admitted himself that times were hard and he scamed her, paying her an hour scene with anal for a 20 minutes scene/faux casting with vag only, the scene that was booked.

Lou was in Budapest this summer and she refused to work because fees dropped dramatically.
Big Budapest studios offer her the same fees she had when she started 3 years ago.
Other actresses accept these low fees because they have no choice because they live there

I understand that liveing in France Lou Charmelle needs more money than Hungarian province residents, but the Budapest going rates are not that small compared with many assistants salary in Paris. It also seems way outdated to think that after 3 years in porn a girl has to earn much more money than a newbie. If she is much less bts and on-set time consumeing, yes, but generally? Times have changed and girls need to adapt...buying less label fashion in the end.

Btw, whats the story behind your Rocco@Lou bit? Didnt get that?

[phunkey]

This is hilarious - Private's return is heralded as a comeback of premium quality feature porn, and yet every picture I've seen in this thread looks about just as gonzo as 'low quality' gonzo. DPs and gaping assholes abound! And look at the cast - it's all gonzo cast! Why would you want to pour out silly amounts of money to shoot 'Hollywood style productions' with the same girls and guys performing Euro gonzo every day? Because of their 'premium quality Hollywood acting' skills? As the replies show there is a market niche for lovers of quality feature porn, but essentially Private is shooting gonzo and simply calls it 'premium quality' because they used 4 directors, 7 cameras and chartered a titanic boat. This indeed looks like a titanic trip - one of the worst business moves I've heard about more recently. Sadly Private will be gone again as quickly as they resurfaced...

[dap-addict]

Who says that gonzo actresses cannot act, if given a chance?
The only thing I dont understand is that boat hire. Looks way fishy.
from the Priviate homepage:

Cost of cruise liner hire 130,000€ per day = 1,430,000€

Why should they spend that much just for the location?
Better pay the girls a bit more so that cute sexy Lou Chamelle is flying to Greece as well!

[phunkey]

Who says that gonzo actresses cannot act, if given a chance?

Ahem, with all due respect - the porn biz does not employ actresses but models. How many convincing actors/actresses have you seen in porn, and how many captivating dialogue scenes can you point me to that will chill me to the bone? My underlying argument is: Stick to what you're good at! There's no such wood killer as a scene ruined by pathetic 'acting'. It's ironic that Private perceives its trademark to be in what the industry does worst.

[dap-addict]

I dont want a porn actress to chill me to the bone in her dialogue, all I want is a basic set up with a small story as Private did in their old days.
Thus: I havnt seen a caprive dialogue porn actress and I dont want to! I just want her to say a few words, act 1-2 mins pre-sex and than hopp into a hard dp/dap/gb.
But while the Italian directors can still do this for ATV, Moonlight, Geo etc, why shoulnt Private be able to do the same? I gladly give those new films a try!

[pagangod_uk]

I think a lot of people are forgetting an important aspect of this entire debate - Private didn't just produce, big-budget, feature-length porn.

Have most of you forgotten that they also had they're own successful series such as Private XXX? Wherein there wasn't really any plot, just unconnected vignettes with a basic set-up and good, hard sex.

I have a background as a Cameraman working in TV on low and big-budget shows, so trust me when I say that you don't need a huge budget to get good-looking visuals - a talented Director, paired with a quality Cameraman can work wonders with very little money.

The trick is to have the imagination to shoot the girls in a flattering way - something which gonzo rarely, if ever, manages to do - British production company Harmony being one of the exceptions to the rule...

My point in regards to resurgence of Private in the current global economy is that they just have to hire a few talented people behind the scenes to get the right look/feel, and of course to help make the on-screen talent look beautiful, which is as I've already said, doesn't have to cost a fortune.

Peace,

PG

[gape]

So private gone bust, and Magik View pops up with similar contenent. Coincidence here?
Same people different badge.

[Vulture]

Who says that gonzo actresses cannot act, if given a chance?

Ahem, with all due respect - the porn biz does not employ actresses but models. How many convincing actors/actresses have you seen in porn, and how many captivating dialogue scenes can you point me to that will chill me to the bone? My underlying argument is: Stick to what you're good at! There's no such wood killer as a scene ruined by pathetic 'acting'. It's ironic that Private perceives its trademark to be in what the industry does worst.

I disagree with this. The level of the acting really doesn't matter, it's even quite endearing when you seen a porn actor or actress clearly floundering with just with a very easy brief sentence. It's just the framework of the scene that matters if you like, the fantasy fills in the gaps of the poor acting.

Good acting is by no means important to me, merely an attempt at some acting prior to the sex action.

[Vulture]

Oh man. I took a punt on Mission Asspossible, really wish I hadn't. Terrible stuff. As I feared, the guys act like total pigs. The girls have their throats grabbed, get slapped, thrown about, it's horribly joyless, unsexy stuff. I just hit fast forward pretty much from start to finish. Has gone straight into my "reject" DVD wallet.

Really dismayed that Private put their name to this. It has some of their previous actors both male and female, of course, but it just bears no resemblance to the Private brand of old in terms of the look and feel of the sex, the director's aesthetic etc.

Serves me right for buying a modern porn DVD I guess. Back to the oldies....

[opap]

in the ass
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=PRVT.PK

[Mr. Peter]

Oh man. I took a punt on Mission Asspossible, really wish I hadn't. Terrible stuff.

Sorry to hear that, but thats why I was always laughing to the title of this thread. Private is right where opap has written.