The mystery of Russian porn

[dap-addict]

I found something one may call cynic:
Was it this oh_harle?

Если тёлка толковая, она построит хорошую стратегию и сможет долго работать, а если просто штатная тупая бл#дь, то её каждый по разу прогонит и всё – больше никто снимать не будет. Сейчас конкуренция настолько большая, что заказчикам все время нужно новое мясо.
Если ты отлично е…. и без проблем в ж..., хорошо выглядишь – тебя будут долго снимать: без проблем года два. За два года можно столько заработать… И чем-нибудь другим заняться. Я не знаю, чем они дальше занимаются, кто чем. Замуж повыходили уже многие. Одна вышла за мента и уехала в Мурманск. Некоторые идут в эскорт и катаются по Европе: у них статус порнозвезда.

Talking about the current situation in Piter Sasha uses a lot of slang words to describe the girls he works with. He stresses how big the competition and how big the demand for "new meat" is. "If you are cute...and have no problems with anal...and look beautiful they will film you for a long time - 2 years without problem", he says. Later some of the girls went to the "export" to Europe, he goes on.

Again, sounds harsh at times, but its the same way he talks about himself, too. "Its just life", Sasha says. Maybe he should have taken a PR course instead?

Sorry, I just wanted to improve my translation of that alleged cynic part of Sashas interview.
Hit the wrong botton, but above is what he says.

[Dani46]

I know many people from Eastern Europe, In Russia most my friends are from Vladivostok and areas around their, Russia is a hard place to do biz also Porn lots of gangsters to be aware of..
I've have tried to book some girls for shoot and its very hard compare to Budapest or Prague.

[Bruno]

I've have tried to book some girls for shoot and its very hard compare to Budapest or Prague.

The problem is that it's not possible to set up a porn company in Russia, because porn is not "legal".
So you don't even get the necessary papers to start with.
So what they do is all underground, and they don't pay tax from their turnover.
In Budapest and Prague we know companies like 21Sextury, DDF, etc..
In Russia I don't know of any "legal" company that sells hardcore porn.

[karasek]

I've have tried to book some girls for shoot and its very hard compare to Budapest or Prague.

The problem is that it's not possible to set up a porn company in Russia, because porn is not "legal".
So you don't even get the necessary papers to start with.

The funny thing is, even the webcam business is illegal, yet there are dozens of studios with hundreds of camgirls in SPB und Moscow.

[claudia_rossi_fan_1]

According to Pierre Woodman, porn IS NOT ILLEGAL in Russia.

At least, it s not explicit in the russian law.

Its not recognized by authorities but it s not condemned either.

[Bruno]

According to Pierre Woodman, porn IS NOT ILLEGAL in Russia.

Maybe they tolerate it, but it's officially illegal:

Russian Criminal Code 1996, Article 242:

"In 1996 section 242 in Russian Criminal Code became a federal legislation that prohibited sale and production of "illegal" pornographic materials. The section provides for a penalty of up to 2 years in prison. Authorities missed a critical definition—the one of actual pornography. While pornography is officially illegal to sell in Russia, the law doesn’t spell out in exact terms the subject of the ban. Russian erotica is sold openly in sex shops and DVD stores. Newspapers publish information about police raids on such places on a monthly basis. Owners would be detained and adult products confiscated, only to be released after a brief investigation that stalls at any attempt to press charges. Supporters of the adult industry have referred to this situation as offensive, but impervious to any immediate change."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_pornography_and_erotica

[Philanderer81]

"If you are cute...and have no problems with anal scenes...and look beautiful they will film you for a long time - 2 years without problem", he says. Later some of the girls went to the "export" to Europe, he goes on.

Wait, I've seen girls that are really cute and take it in the ass but disappear almost as soon as they appear. What's the deal with that What does he mean by "export"? Prostitution?

[sinatra27]

Maybe they disappear so quick cause they hate it (I mean, OK, I think they pretty much hate it anyway, but I mean, really hate it). I personally noticed many of the girls who do TCC disappear almost immediately. Maybe it's too much for them, even though they need the money. I'm not defending them; I think as long as no one forces a gun to your head, you always have the choice not to get into porn. I'm just saying that could be one possible reason for the quick disappearnce, but then again... maybe things are more shady.

[Bruno]

What does he mean by "export"? Prostitution?

I think he means that they stop working with them in Russia, and go to Budapest and Prague for better working conditions.
Which is not a bad idea because in Europe the possibilities in this business (and probably also the salary) are much more.

[dap-addict]

Sasha doesnt say anyting about prostitution. "Export" he uses in terms of work migration. He mentions it twice the way Bruno says. At the point he is talking about the Piter talent career lifespan he says: "Once nobody wants to shoot you anymore in Russia, you can go to Europe. (...) You earn a bit more per scene than here, but there is not much work. Than you are a so called porn starlet".

He doenst say anything about work conditions in Europe. The only thing he stresses is that in Europe they "love to film the girls many times", i.e. in opposition to Russia, European websites are interested in many scenes of the same girl. 21S, DDF vs. TCC, ATM

Sasha seems amused about that fact, he doenst understand that.
This explains pretty well, why most Russian girls disappear so fast.
The more as for the time being only Juliana Grandi seems to specialize in "export" and she lists but a dotzen of girls in her agency.


Btw, Sasha goes on "export" sometimes, too: Somewhere in the interview he says he was doing up to 5 scenes per day when he works in Ibizza.

[Philanderer81]

Thanks for the clarification guys. I don't understand their business model though. There are some girls who just by their looks could get a following, like a fan base, which can then be monetized.

If you look at America they now sell dildos in the shape of pornstar cocks and rubber pussy things modeled from porn girls... if they're making it someone must be buying it

[dap-addict]

Russia is not the US.
The porn biz reminds me much of the beginnings 20 years ago in Budapest.
Most agents work just for one clan or company. The biz is still not very professionally organized.
The only way to stardom for the girls, as Sasha says unintentionally, is to meet Juliana Grandi organizing her "export" to Budapest or hook up directly there.

According to Sasha Russian mentality doesnt ask for stardom but Russians want only newbies.
Not sure, how consumer-based this statement is, however.

[Bruno]

Thanks for the clarification guys. I don't understand their business model though.

They don't have a "business model" because they don't have a company for the Russian law. They just buy the best HD cameras, make the scenes with the girls in an apartment or hotel room at very low cost, and sell these scenes to European or American companies, who do the distribution. This is how I think it works, easy but very effective.

There are some girls who just by their looks could get a following, like a fan base, which can then be monetized.

"Monetized", this is how people in capitalist countries think, but this is Russia, they think different because their culture and history is different. To give another example, they also laugh about our laws about intellectual property, like copyright issues. They think it's stupid to download a movie or song and pay for it, like people here do, because they can also get it for free. Big companies don't get the respect that they get in the US, because in their culture and their past it was told to them that capitalism is wrong. The "American dream" is like a nightmare for them, because it leads to self enrichment. So "stardom" for a girl who works in the porn business is also useless, because it hinders the focus on new girls. And this focus is the key to their success, so why change it?

I'm happy that they do it like this, because this different approach finally gives us an alternative for the US porn business, which has become very boring for me. They also had this "different approach" in Budapest in the beginning, but in the last years in Hungary the porn industry more and more changed to the US capitalism standards, creating "porn stars" and "brands", and the money in the business became more important than the product. I prefer "back to basics" porn, just pretty girls having sex, without all the fuss around it because it distracts from what it really should be about!

[dap-addict]

Russians are neither anti-capitalist or anti-stardom!
Just look at the streets of Moscow or their local entertainment culture. Russia has its own stars, BIG stars with BIG loads of money! And they show it!

Its rather that peculiar porn biz model grown on Russian law that hinders monetizing of beautiful talents.
As you say, they shoot footage for cheap and sell it in Europe or the US with big profit and thats how their biz works. Their niche is European and US hunger for rookies. They dont need to invest time and money to create porn stars like they do in Budapest or LA, all they need is a never ending stream of new faces they can shoot for cheap and sell with big profit.

Personally, I am torn apart. I do like to fellow the career of my favorite porn girls for some years. Russian girls dont allow for that. At the same time the porn star cult of Europe and the US has turned into absurd, far away from the basic fucks and enveloppe pushing towards lackluster erotica. I do prefer this Russian fast anal track!

For me the best mix are Euro directors shooting in Piter and/or Julia Grandis dap-able Russian cutie export to Budapest.

[Dani46]

I've have tried to book some girls for shoot and its very hard compare to Budapest or Prague.

The problem is that it's not possible to set up a porn company in Russia, because porn is not "legal".
So you don't even get the necessary papers to start with.
So what they do is all underground, and they don't pay tax from their turnover.
In Budapest and Prague we know companies like 21Sextury, DDF, etc..
In Russia I don't know of any "legal" company that sells hardcore porn.

Do you know about any good agency's that has a good amount of the more known Russian girls both HC / Artistic nude?
If cant post here send a pm.
Thank you.