Pierre Woodman's latest

[pplolo]

You cannot,on the one hand praise open source,free forum software,free databases,free os,free antivirus,firewall etc...giving everybody a chance to access the net and build its own business and on the other hand once you create somethin criticizing the system.
The important thing you need to know is how this economy works and tune your strategy to it.
There is also the process schumpeter called "creative destruction".As new technology emerges the forces between the different
participants shifts.
For example,in the last ten years maybe dvd sales decreased but trips to cities like budapest or prague by young males looking for sex literally exploded and i am not sure the overall money spent in the sex business really decreased!The money is just funded differently....

[gapeman]

Here is how he sees the future:

http://forum.woodmancastingx.com/viewtopic.php?p=497#p497

Paul Landers aka s.O.

Definitively Pierre Woodman is right Even Internet is not a good porn business now except for some exceptions ...and remember that no one works for free
The newest scenes will be ready for download for free in a week time after the release ...and i think that no one can´t stop it
Only the good fans like some of us want to see the porn girl we love doing something inmediately,so is why we join or buy the dvd ...but people that only enjoy porn for minutes can wait and they wait for download
Free Downloads killed all usual format(dvd,cd,blueray,books)industries ...and even internet is killing itself in some way In few years no one will earn enough money in the internet to pay the making of every new scene ...or do you know new websites that work for long ???

After reading the PW words,we will see Divinity Love DP in 2012 ...maybe
...and forget about Super porn productions with nice locations from now on ...how much paid Pierre for Xcalibur or The Perfectionist ???...i´m sure he never get that money back

About his website:How he want that people join if there is not new content on it???

[gapelover]

Pierre described the situation very good.
So you see why Sineplex made a decision to change their distribution, because the porn companies don't get their money back, i hope other small companies will follow to distribute protected material - its the only way to make some profit - surely you will see less new movies in the future !
Naturally in near future many more small companies will be killed by P2P.

[BEP]

I want to say this near future already happens.. No interesting new companies last year, lot's of companies stop to release movies on DVD's (Like John Thompson), companies who release own DVD's, release only cheap low cost gonzo with 2-3 scenes on DVD. Now is really problem for companies to sell 1000 DVD's, minimal party for print, companies no more reprint old movies. Customers contact me ask to find older movies (1999-2006), but i say them sorry in many cases... older movies no more available in DVD format...

Of course some new porn will appear, but i think it's will be boring amateur porn with ugly performers....

[sbando]

The money is just funded differently....

Yes, outside of production/advertising/reselling of new porn. If you run a business based on, I don't know, potatos, what do you care if money "circulates" if it circulates outside of your business and you're not making any profit anymore?

Everybody tends to justify their downloading frenzy with ideological bullshit about "majors" or steep prices of original products. A licence for most applications costs around 29-39 dollars, less than 20 euros for a lifetime of free updates. Play.com sells top 20 cds at 3 or 4 pounds, free shipping. C'MON!

[camaban]

I also wondered if people will really get that excited to see scenes from Dlove etc two ot three years after they had been filmed
because the excitment has faded.You are also excited to see a girl in a scene because you wonder you could see her in another scene doing more,but when you know she is retired....
Good luck anyway.

Exactly my thoughts. I know that Divinity is retired, and therefore I'm not very excited to see what she has done a few years ago. Bad management here. The scenes in question should have been released in the first 2 or 3 Sex Carnage movies. Maybe this would have increased sales.

[camaban]

You're all are so right with your comments. More and more small companies will die soon, they already had their problems because of the internet philosophy to get everything for free, and now with the worldwide crisis, many will not survive. Same with websites.

And I don't see a solution out of this. There always will be one kind of porn, but the high quality porn that we have consumed in the last years will be more and more diffcult to find. It can't work when most people are not willing to pay for it. The sad thing is that the true fans who always paid are the ones who really are affected, because they didn't get anymore what they want (just look at Divinity Love and Caylian Curits, will we ever the their scenes?).

[sbando]

Yo do realize that the delay was caused by poor sales in the first place?

[pplolo]

You right,you know have somehow cheap licenses available for different applications but it is because there is a lot others available for free and that is why it keeps prices affordable.

Besides p2p there is another trend that develops which is forums with vip section subscription where you can buy access to paying websites meaning people earns money by stealing others work.

For the p2p i have shared my point of view before so i just paste it there.

first about the porn industry and p2p:

in 2002:Now pornography is a multi-billion dollar business that has doubled in size in the last five years.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/business/

It is estimated that Americans now spend somewhere around $10 billion a year on adult entertainment, which is as much as they spend attending professional sporting events, buying music or going out to the movies.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/21/60minutes/main585049.shtml

i think that p2p is mostly used by kiddies which do not have the resources nor the rights to access explicit content.What is funny about p2p debate is that producers denouncing techniques they use to propagate their business(viral marketing).
If you consider p2p discussion on a strict legal point of view claiming the application of the full extent of the law to everybody I am also wondering
why companies like ddf productions(21sextury,clubsandy,pixandvideo etc)
are registered in tax havens like gibraltar or virgin islands.
Obviously this is semi legal ,and if you agree to apply the law for everybody these companies should pay about 30 % of taxes on their already juicy benefits what they obviously don t.So all in all you would need the p2p regulation translating in a 25% increase in their benefits to compensate the payment of taxes...i doubt this would happen.
Without assking the question whether there is money laundering in this business and who is pulling the string behind the flashy,glamour curtain....

And we should also not forget that porn is somehow the tip of the iceberg,
because this business also created a new kind of "tourism",with low cost companies dumping waves of western young adults into eastern capitals
seeking cheap "escorting" services during orgy week ends.

[camaban]

Yo do realize that the delay was caused by poor sales in the first place?

I know, and this is because all his movies were donwloadable a few days after the release. But maybe the sales would have been better, with real sex scenes of his contract girls in it. If I look at myself, i only bought the first Sex Carnage film. I'm sure I would have bought the others if there were scenes with Divinity in it, and maybe many others would have done the same. On the other hand Pierre had made big mistakes like the shit music in the Sex Carnage scenes. Gonzo and music during sex scenes simply doesn' fit together IMHO, so I decided not to buy more than the first volume. What I want to say, Pierre is mostly right with the comment on his forum, but on the other side he has made a few big errors that for sure also decreased the sales of his movies, it's not only the internet.

[Camarillobrillo]

But maybe the sales would have been better, with real sex scenes of his contract girls in it.

I don't think it would have mattered much...
There were plenty of great scenes in "Exxxcalibur" and "The Perfectionist"...
or in the "Sex Carnage"and "Sexxxotica" series.

Realizing high budget quality movies like Woodman always did, and have a decent profit from them, has
unfortunately become impossible nowadays with all this file sharing activity on the net.
It don't matter who you throw in the cast list...

[sbando]

We're not discussing whether WE had a great business plan or not, their plan was obviously flawed since it no longer exists.
We're discussing the fact that with an attitude like that there will be nothing left very soon.

You can tell me that Jules and Rocco put out new dvds out every month. But, have you ever watched one of them?? Production values, zero. Same old shtick. Recycled scenes from 3 years ago.

[pplolo]

You can tell me that Jules and Rocco put out new dvds out every month. But, have you ever watched one of them?? Production values, zero. Same old shtick. Recycled scenes from 3 years ago.

You right but you cannot blame people because the prod decided to shoot pictures where girls are fucked like dogs and
you wonder if actors like omar G do really realizes that they are shooting with humans not puppets....
I said earlier (why is porn becoming so boring?)
that trash porn was a no future direction and what happens now is not very a surprise.

[just_me]

All this doom & gloom around here - I tried my best to get away from this forum last month, but it didn't take

Ten years ago, twenty years ago, you had good demand and low supply. With the explosion of the internet, free market capitalism kicked in and the past decade you had high demand and extremely high supply. Now today you have lower demand and still extremely high supply. A few companies will have to go under as the market readjusts, that's just reality, and has nothing to do with filesharing. And when supply begins to drop, then the profits for the surviving will rise again.

DVD sales are dropping because they just are not economical anymore. Why should I take a chance on paying $50 for a dvd with 4 scenes when for $35 at 1by-day I get access to hundreds of scenes including ~30 brand new scenes that month?

VirtuaGirl promotes on their site that they currently have 5 million subscribing users - at $13/month even subtracting various fees they're bringing in $30-40 million per month. Estimates I've seen from traffic analysis sites, along with a few other bits of info, suggests DDF is pulling in $5+ million after fees each month amongst their sites, or about $50-60k per scene. That's good money.

Teendreams provides the info on the number of currently logged in subscribers and it's usually around 5,000 at any given time. I think it's a safe assumption to say this site has over 100k subscribing users per month, or over $1 million in revenues for a site that is comprised mainly of non-exclusive licensed photosets. And in addition, it's not exactly secret knowledge that Teendreams' zip sets are stored on an unsecured server, anyone who wants can grab any photoset directly from their servers. So exactly how do they continue pulling in that much $$ if filesharing is killing the industry? That argument makes little sense.

The problem with the discussion here is you guys are focusing on one small portion of the industry while not looking at everything else that is out there. What exactly has Woodman done to sell his product across the internet? If he can't make a profit, then that's his own damn fault. It's not sufficient anymore to slap your name on the cover, do little if any promotion, and expect it to be a hit. Then I truly believe the other half of the porn situation is the emerging softcore industry especially in Czech & Hungary, so many girls able to make it for years without having to do any b/g scenes If Woodman had access to shoot his style with girls of the quality of Sandy, Sophie Moone, Eufrat, Ariel, Eve Angel, Peaches, Bambi, then sure the scenes would be better quality and the dvds sell more - but these girls have all found a decent money stream elsewhere, the girls do not need the big names of hardcore of the past.

Porn is changing, and if the names of the past are unwilling to keep up with these changes, then there is nothing left to say except "Cya". There is far too much competition today willing to give me exactly what I want, for me to ever care to wait on a dinosaur with an overinflated ego. The dvd producers of yesteryear give us by far the worst internet experience. When they come complaining they can't make a buck off the net, it's their own fault.

I'm a nobody from nowhere, but this all is just simple common sense.

[Camarillobrillo]

Yay and wasn't Eufrat doin' a boy/girl scene, including anal, in Xcalibur 1...