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Re: Pierre Wooman's latest

Postby bake0213 on Sun Feb 22, 2009 5:04 am

just_me wrote:All this doom & gloom around here - I tried my best to get away from this forum last month, but it didn't take :cry:

Ten years ago, twenty years ago, you had good demand and low supply. With the explosion of the internet, free market capitalism kicked in and the past decade you had high demand and extremely high supply. Now today you have lower demand and still extremely high supply. A few companies will have to go under as the market readjusts, that's just reality, and has nothing to do with filesharing. And when supply begins to drop, then the profits for the surviving will rise again.

DVD sales are dropping because they just are not economical anymore. Why should I take a chance on paying $50 for a dvd with 4 scenes when for $35 at 1by-day I get access to hundreds of scenes including ~30 brand new scenes that month?

VirtuaGirl promotes on their site that they currently have 5 million subscribing users - at $13/month even subtracting various fees they're bringing in $30-40 million per month. Estimates I've seen from traffic analysis sites, along with a few other bits of info, suggests DDF is pulling in $5+ million after fees each month amongst their sites, or about $50-60k per scene. That's good money.

Teendreams provides the info on the number of currently logged in subscribers and it's usually around 5,000 at any given time. I think it's a safe assumption to say this site has over 100k subscribing users per month, or over $1 million in revenues for a site that is comprised mainly of non-exclusive licensed photosets. And in addition, it's not exactly secret knowledge that Teendreams' zip sets are stored on an unsecured server, anyone who wants can grab any photoset directly from their servers. So exactly how do they continue pulling in that much $$ if filesharing is killing the industry? That argument makes little sense.

The problem with the discussion here is you guys are focusing on one small portion of the industry while not looking at everything else that is out there. What exactly has Woodman done to sell his product across the internet? If he can't make a profit, then that's his own damn fault. It's not sufficient anymore to slap your name on the cover, do little if any promotion, and expect it to be a hit. :roll: Then I truly believe the other half of the porn situation is the emerging softcore industry especially in Czech & Hungary, so many girls able to make it for years without having to do any b/g scenes :shock: If Woodman had access to shoot his style with girls of the quality of Sandy, Sophie Moone, Eufrat, Ariel, Eve Angel, Peaches, Bambi, then sure the scenes would be better quality and the dvds sell more - but these girls have all found a decent money stream elsewhere, the girls do not need the big names of hardcore of the past.

Porn is changing, and if the names of the past are unwilling to keep up with these changes, then there is nothing left to say except "Cya". There is far too much competition today willing to give me exactly what I want, for me to ever care to wait on a dinosaur with an overinflated ego. The dvd producers of yesteryear give us by far the worst internet experience. When they come complaining they can't make a buck off the net, it's their own fault.

I'm a nobody from nowhere, but this all is just simple common sense.


Amen brother.
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Postby terafan on Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:28 am

So, NOP, what can you tell us about the Planet Erotik de Toulon...

From the Pic, you`ve been there. What are the hot news?
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Re: Pierre Wooman's latest

Postby secluded observer on Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:51 am

just_me wrote:Ten years ago, twenty years ago, you had good demand and low supply. With the explosion of the internet, free market capitalism kicked in and the past decade you had high demand and extremely high supply. Now today you have lower demand and still extremely high supply. A few companies will have to go under as the market readjusts, that's just reality, and has nothing to do with filesharing.

Sorry "just_me", I have to disrupt your post because we disagree at this early stage. ! Even though you might be right about actual sales numbers over time, your analysis on the reasons is nothing more but simplistic. Is it really true that JUST the rise of the internet pushing markets (I guess you mean especially pushing market transparency, less to no market regulationc, etc.) led to popularity?
I strongly disagree. From my (german) perspective there were a whole lot of factors behind this.
I sure I can't cover them all. But for instance one major force was the introduction of the DVD. For a european fan you were able to watch US porn without transformating from VHS-standards. This technical development in my view lead to a different perception with the viewers. As far as I remember gonzo movies for example weren't very popular before... European Adultfilmmakers complain till today that those gonzo movies destroyed their feature films...
I could go on... but to sum it up: I believe it's far more complex than your analysis.
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Re: Pierre Wooman's latest

Postby sbando on Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:28 pm

Many of his points are correct, but what we are left with is an enormous quantity of generic Internet porn, not every one of us is happy with that. Honestly, I'd rather watch more girls like Xenia Lova or Zilla even if it means waiting for the dvd release than having terabytes of so n so stuff to download. As an eMule user myself, I know that almost every movie available at Xonair is shared by someone, Anita Fresh On Cocks has had a scene release the day it came out, it was available at good trackers in a matter of minutes.
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Re: Pierre Wooman's latest

Postby secluded observer on Sun Feb 22, 2009 5:00 pm

"Just me"'s analysis starts in the past and then goes over to the present situation by saying:
just_me wrote:DVD sales are dropping because they just are not economical anymore.

I'm not a specialist in this peer-to-peer stuff. But the current situation is not what I'm focusing on: the point I'm trying to make is that the mistakes were done 8-10 years ago! And there "just_me" analysis is simplistic...

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secluded Observer wrote:But for instance one major force was the introduction of the DVD.

I forgot another important factor. Of course the introduction of the DVD led to a serious price competition.
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Topic's title

Postby terafan on Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:52 pm

Is it a word game, or a "d" is missing from the title of the topic?
Otherwise, the "chicks" are misspelled...:)
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Re: Pierre Wooman's latest

Postby sbando on Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:04 pm

Man, I never noticed that. It's like one of those trick of the eye things.
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Re: Pierre Woodman's latest

Postby horndogger on Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:39 am

I am to blame for the mispelled title .... must have had a few beers before I typed it ... haha

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Re: Pierre Woodman's latest

Postby terafan on Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:15 pm

horndogger wrote:I am to blame for the mispelled title .... must have had a few beers before I typed it ... haha

Horndogger


Anyway, it goes great as a word game...
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Re: Pierre Woodman's latest

Postby bafucin on Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:12 pm

Hi,
for those of you that hasn't join woodmancastingx yet,
pleease do!!it's a great site in developing, and woodman need our
"wallets" support.. For me he's the greatest director in history!
i have been frustrated with PW in the past, but im not going there anymoore!
i'm going to support him 100 %,.com

And we have Druuna Diva initation to look forward in Casting X 66!!

*A proud member of woodmancastingx .com* :shock:
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Re: Pierre Woodman's latest

Postby paulfashion9999 on Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:49 pm

He provides some interesting tidbits about some of the castings in the forum. Angel's casting is an interesting read.
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Re: Pierre Woodman's latest

Postby sbando on Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:22 pm

Great material each day.
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Re: Pierre Woodman's latest

Postby dutchy on Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:57 pm

sbando wrote:Great material each day.


Only movieclips or also picturesets?
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Re: Pierre Woodman's latest

Postby bafucin on Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:22 pm

sbando wrote:Great material each day.



Yeah you're right man..I
Fantastic! :D
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Re: Pierre Woodman's latest

Postby sbando on Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:41 pm

dutchy wrote:Only movieclips or also picturesets?


Pierre said to Nop that he doesn't plan to post any photoset. In the future, maybe, but it's not a priority. But you can ask him directly in his forum.

There are loads of new scenes or unedited parts, I see they added a description next to each clip, but it would help if they specified what's old and what's unreleased, I think many are still under the impression that it's just rehashed material.
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