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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby Am0rIn0 on Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:28 pm

You can't make a producer responsible if models show faked ID's. Here it is the model or rather "manager" who break law by faking ID's to earn cash.

It is about who knows and wants to do illegal stuff, producer is rather victim in such a case.

Of course if there is an accuse, authorities must investigate this. But it stays an accuse until there is a prove and a court found him guilty.
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby olga cabaeva on Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:23 pm

Am0rIn0 wrote:You can't make a producer responsible if models show faked ID's. Here it is the model or rather "manager" who break law by faking ID's to earn cash.

It is about who knows and wants to do illegal stuff, producer is rather victim in such a case.

Of course if there is an accuse, authorities must investigate this. But it stays an accuse until there is a prove and a court found him guilty.

Let's not make any producer like inocent angel who doesn't know or doesn't understand anything. Hardly a girl especialy underaged one can fake any id or passport. ..But manager, yes, and producers know about this possibility. All directors/producers know letters and can read id/passport/visa/drive license. If they got several girls from the same manager and girls have similar serial numbers on id/visa/passport etc doesn't it look a bit sospitiouse? Any way, if you have any doubts about it call to the nearest police office to confirm if its valid government document or not and if this person exists in reality?
We dont know how Torbe is guilty in this story! Lets say Que se haga la justicia!
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby Am0rIn0 on Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:56 pm

Let's not make any producer like inocent angel


Who does?

But manager, yes, and producers know about this possibility.


And why should a producer who knows this shoot that specific girl? What benefit does he have? No one comes to my mind, in opposite he risks a lawsuit and lots of stress, prison in worst case. Not worth the trouble while lots of fresh legal aged girls flood into biz.

Any way, if you have any doubts about it call to the nearest police office to confirm if its valid government document or not and if this person exists in reality?


Sry but to imagine to call an ukrainian police or registration office and ask for an ID, I don't think this is that easy in reality. Even think it is not allowed to give infos about ID's just by a simple phone call from abroad. But I may be wrong.

We dont know how Torbe is guilty in this story! Lets say Que se haga la justicia!


I rather stick to "in dubio pro reo" until the opposite is proven.
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby olga cabaeva on Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:53 am

Am0rIn0 wrote:
But manager, yes, and producers know about this possibility.


And why should a producer who knows this shoot that specific girl? What benefit does he have? No one comes to my mind, in opposite he risks a lawsuit and lots of stress, prison in worst case. Not worth the trouble while lots of fresh legal aged girls flood into biz.

Any way, if you have any doubts about it call to the nearest police office to confirm if its valid government document or not and if this person exists in reality?


Sry but to imagine to call an ukrainian police or registration office and ask for an ID, I don't think this is that easy in reality. Even think it is not allowed to give infos about ID's just by a simple phone call from abroad. But I may be wrong.

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Producers know when they book a girl from nobody-knows-who -manager that it can be problematic after but they book because they need fresh (better unpublished holes).Let's tell they know but they don't think too much that tomorow they will be next Max Hardcore or Torbe.

Your local officer can check any id! Not nessesary to call to ucrainian police! How check ids brothel's and strip clubs owners? Nobody calls on any foreigh country! Thats enought your local cops.
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby Robin on Sun May 08, 2016 12:11 am

Saturday with more news and video of his detention in all tv news and press. Police ask for citizen cooperation to identify more victims... (that's strange btw)

http://www.abc.es/espana/abci-policia-pide-colaboracion-ciudadana-4883098055001-20160507022515_video.html

Bad times for Torbe... looks like this ukrainian connection gotten his ruin... anyway let's wait to the judgment.
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby krull on Sun May 29, 2016 2:59 am

So.. there isn't much discussion about this anywhere else, apart from some tweets here and there and Youtube videos in Spanish (which I can't understand). A month on and the news is deadly silent, the story doesn't seem to have had any attention in the press from other countries apart from a English translation of el mundo's original article on RT. I can't believe this has happened, I'm so gutted.. Euro girls doing a gokkun style blowbang has been a long time coming and a personal fantasy of mine. Torbe was seemingly breaking new ground with somewhere close to 40 scenes recorded and then.. bang.. nothing. They'll probably never be released now if the situation is as serious as it seems, I've read that torbe could be in prison for 2 or 4 years before any trial comes about. I've only seen a few putalocura videos but the set is pretty distinctive, quite eerie seeing the police walking through it all... with the superhero masks and all.

Torbe's been doing this for a long time, I'm having a hard time trying to make sense that he would force a 17 year old girl to do porn with drugs, film it and then supposedly upload it to the site, the incriminating evidence there for all to see... and Human trafficking? I'm wondering if it's a case of the girls not entering the country legally and because sex is involved it is classed as Human trafficking? I look at the photoshoots of the girls and everything seems pretty professional. They had chronicles of the sessions on site and all the girls seemed to perform well (let's be honest, swallowing multiple loads of cum is not something anyone can do). Apparently one of the girls was drunk once but that's about it, certainly nothing that would suggest anything wrong and also there were often about 100 + people in the room at the time, so someone would know if something was up surely. Oh yeah and one of the girls (Elya) came back and recorded another two scenes this year in addition to her previous 3 in '15..

I'm very interested to know what the deal is with Angel B, unlike the others she's an actual known model with lots of examples of previous work (and thank you chris for posting that, I would never have known otherwise!) plus what from comments on the site, she did a proper gangbang in one of the sessions, letting the guys do what they wanted with her... Does anyone know if she's commented on anything with the bukkakes? Those caps of her first bukkake video are around the web in several places... Also I wonder what is happening with the torbe girls Silvana especially was very much a part of the bukkakes recording several new ones herself and assisting the new models with scooping any spillage on the mouth and the bowl.

The site hasn't been updated in over a week now, no new comments are being added since torbe's arrest and there is no news about the situation. I'm surprised the police didn't shut the site down anyway, it appears you can still register and everything... I can't help but feel like even if torbe is somehow a victim in this, because he makes porn he will be given the brand of pariah anyway, since you know.. "porn exploits and abuses women"..

I'm glad I managed to save all the photos of the Ukrainian girls when I could...

Hi btw, long time lurker and user of EBI since before the forums were around, this incident prompted me to actually sign up and contribute, I will post in other places too!
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby olga cabaeva on Sun May 29, 2016 12:26 pm

It looks like police struggles with identification of all possible "Victims" They even advertise they need help from people if someone knows about girls who were forced to do porn. Everyone can collabrate even anonimly. I think cops will be really slow,because Torbe shot many girls from different countries:from well known models like Jeniffer Stone and Mandy Dee to completly uknown amateur girls. More then 1000 girls must be identificated.
The fault with ucraniana were because of their managers (pimps) and working without valid papers in EU.
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby Robin on Sun May 29, 2016 2:57 pm

Manager were a young ukrainian guy named ***, protected with 5 bodyguards and spending around 3,000 euros per day by staying at the suite of a luxury hotel in Madrid (also his bodyguards at same hotel)

Lately in all bukkakes the guys received money just for participate (20€) when really had always been the other way, participants were who had to pay... also good prizes of 100 to 250€ for the best cumshots, etc... and raffles of 1000 euros. A craziness...

It was the best way to get 80-100 guys per bukkake and obviously was the ukrainian "capo" who paid this money.

This is just info I've seen on news (about ***) and putalocura (about announcements bukkakes with ukrainian girls with prizes, etc)
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby campeon on Mon May 30, 2016 9:48 am

I really don't care much about Torbe. Or anyobody else that I don't know personally.....

But the story of the dozens of underage girls being forced to participate in the videos starts to fall apart, if the police needs this kind of public requests for help and we don't have any news about the issue for one month already. When they have evidence they start to filter this to the press, in Spain is very usual, even more if the story is as spectacular as this....

So I think at most they had one underage girsl and no evidence that Torbe knew about it, and probably some financial, money laundry and tax evasion offences against Torbe, and the whole underage girls was blown up of proportion. It was all very much a Hollywood script thing, and if you want to make ilegal porn to sell it in the "dark internet", your facade would never be a legal overground porn website, that is just plain stupid.
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby krull on Mon May 30, 2016 11:55 pm

If the police are convinced that many girls have been abused/forced into porn with torbe then surely they would shut down all the sites and online places where such girls are shown? The main web page is still up, torbe's blog, the webcam site, his twitter, instagram etc... It doesn't make any sense to me. campeon makes an excellent point, you can try and pin torbe as part of some kind of massive paedophile network but it doesn't wash because no such group would operate outside of the dark web nevermind an easily accessible website. I'm trying to imagine the police and prosecutors watching the videos and coming up with anything less than "this is abuse, no one would do this willingly" in their heads... think what it would be like if it was legalporno videos..

Haha.. ***.. now I'm seeing *** The Blade from Snatch in a Spanish hotel surrounded by men carrying Kalashnikov rifles... "Hollywood script" indeed... Can you post the links about this guy? I never saw about such information in the news I've read, just that a Ukrainian citizen was arrested... Anyway, first I heard torbe had some interested girls when he went on a trip to Ukraine not too long ago, didn't imagine it would become some deal with a gangster type... sheesh. I found it funny how he was offering all that money too, now it makes a little more sense. Well even if the more heavy charges are somehow quashed, the money laundering and tax evasion claims are serious enough but perhaps he would get bail. I think we are a long way off from such hope at present...
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby Robin on Tue May 31, 2016 12:22 am

Allegedly these videos with underage girls were not in Putalocura, they were on his hard drives.

Photos of all those ukrainian girls has been deleted from his blog since days ago (I don't know if by judicial order or what)

I think the main concern is not the porn with underage girls (I don't think he did porn videos with underage for distro in deep web as I read...) I think is the alleged human trafficking (ukrainians/russians) laundry money and tax evasion...

What is clear is that a 23 yo guy who walks with 5 bodyguards never can be a reliable partner :lol:
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby olga cabaeva on Tue May 31, 2016 1:21 am

I think,Robin is right.
Torbe was much safer when he traveled to Russia and shoot girls there. To bring models and less from pimps to Spain was not very good idea.
I am sure these ucranian girls were paid very bad and their manager got a lots of money insteed of girls.
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby krull on Tue May 31, 2016 1:31 am

I guess he maybe slept with girls under 18 (not illegal in Spain with consent) and secretly filmed it and saved the videos to his computer or something (totally illegal obviously) so if that's the case then yeah... not good at all.

Nah the photos got deleted after every bukkake, so got into the habit of checking for updates everyday to make sure I didn't miss anything.

Well human trafficking or not, illegal immigration is not exactly a minor offence, the question is whether torbe knew the girls were coming in without the right visas. At one point on the blog, there was supposed to be session with a girl "Rusa" but it was cancelled because he could not get her a visa.. or so it was said.

and named *** :lol:
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby krull on Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:03 pm

I have recently discovered the Putalocura forum, I did not know it existed because it isn't on the main page and found by accident whilst on twitter. It is an odd place, almost seems to be separate from Torbe's domain and half of the topics are about some very random things, it's also all in Spanish and Google makes a lot of it into nonsense as usual. Still, I can make out that there is a lot of discussion of Torbe's arrest there, many photos and links posted about it but you can't see them unless you're registered and I'm not sure about doing that, at least not yet. From what I can make out already, several pieces of info are discussed:

- Torbe was released on bail yesterday allegedly but I cannot find anything else to back that up. It could be true and conditions prevent him from using the internet or something but no way to confirm.

- There are two underage girls from Ukraine who claim they were abused, supposedly protected witnesses. One of the girls Torbe recently worked with claims they are active as pornstars with other mainstream sites today.

- At least some of the bukkakes are on a "hidden" website that this *** uses but I have no information about it.

I think it would be best if someone who understands Spanish can look into the information properly;

http://foro.putalocura.com/

On another note, Googling the model images, I discovered a VK page with all the photos on from the Bukkake models as well as what looks like twitter/instagram photos of them which I saved. It has since vanished, but it is still present in the cache however:

http://www.imagebam.com/image/df6ec8487681953
http://www.imagebam.com/image/e94e66487682760

Of the most interest are a couple of screengrabs of chats supposedly with two of the girls (Kira and Monro) in Russian or Ukrainian:

http://www.imagebam.com/image/07212c487681950
http://www.imagebam.com/image/52756f487681951

Perhaps someone can translate them as I haven't a clue what they say...

The video on the Monro grab is here on the Instagram, it sounds like a female translator speaking in the background:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BBAuSBniIpn/

Torbe's instagram has some very weird stuff on it :lol:
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby badluckTorbe on Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:22 pm

krull wrote:Perhaps someone can translate them as I haven't a clue what they say...


I can. Sorry for bad English.
http://www.imagebam.com/image/07212c487681950
(G)irl from bukkake and her (F)riend are talking via some social network:
F- How was it?
G-(some nonsense reply in rhyme)
F-How did you get into bukkake?
G-I see now... I was wondering why mister owl is writing me (not much sense... again)
F-How is *** doing?
G-Which one of them?
F-the one from Madrid...
F-Was this some kind of sexual fantazy? Or were you just payed wery well? Or both? (then he asks about video relese date)
G-Why do you care?
F-Just wondering. No reason. Just want to know how was it. Don't need unnecessary details.
G-I have forgotten about everything already. That's it. Don't need to remeber. Everyone has their own job. Only our people (she means Russians) and Ukranians react in this way. Western regions doesn't care at all (this topic proofs she's wrong ::: )
F-I don't have any wild reaction to this. Just wondering why such kind of porn, not the ordinary one.
F-They filmed some videos in 3-4 doubles?
.............(no text) for editing?
Were there really 100 people? Or they filmed by 30 in 3 parts?
Just interesting, because it's not ordinary porn. I know a lot of porn stars, but I have no questions to them. It's plain and simple, but something like this....
Don't be afraid. Nobody'll mock you or tell your family. Just need some info, in brief... what, where, when...
So you didn't hesitate to act in smth like this, but now suddenly too shy to talk
So here you are so arrogant and cold... but there you easily allowed plenty of boneheads to cum on you?
G-Listen. Why do you care? I have neither time nor wish to discuss this topic. (following I didn't understand myself) I don't understand... Do I owe smth more? Ask Yana and Tanya all your questions. I'm not agent.
F-Get it
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The girl from instagram video speaks russian: Well. Alyonochka (Alena) listen to me...

It's not litteral translation, but I hope you'll get the point.
Sorry for my English again :roll:
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