Patrick2 wrote: shooting an orgy has to be a cluster fuck for any cameraman.
And the winner of the funniest quote in a porn thread is....

Patrick2 wrote:I think we can all agree that Lucy is a really beautiful young woman but choosing to shoot her first scenes for LP was probably the worst mistake of her career and one that may lead her to leave porn.
you guys always crack me up. With you, it's always models' "career", potential, goodwill, ...
just because you don't like the type of porn doesn't mean it's not a good choice or wise career move.
but let me tell you something: if you think these girls think about career, market impact or even CONSEQUENCES for their actions, you are dead wrong. You should know better, since you've been reading this forum for ages and there's plenty of industry people here.
Patrick2 wrote:A barely 18 year old should never attempt her first scenes for a studio renowned for shooting circus style porn.
lol. again. What should have she done? Dorcel, right?

))) you clearly stated before that you like that style, and there's nothing wrong with that, same as there's a demand for soft porn, there's also a demand for strong anal "circus" porn. Like it or not, it's the way it is. Don't forget that she also shot for DDF and that's as close to Dorcel as it gets. I don't like what she shot there, even if I like and appreciate his style, because she looks stupid, lifeless and the makeup looks horrible on her, it makes her look like a caked-up transvestite with huge implants. In LP, on the contrary, the makeup is well done, she looks alive and finally there's some expression on her face.
I have not seen 5-on-5 creampie orgy but I have watched 3-4 trailers that they gave me, and it turned me on. I am very rarely turned on by porn these days, and especially not "circus" porn, which is not my thing at all. But in that trailer, the action looked very well shot, plenty of close ups, plenty of panned scenes, wide shots, I had the impression that it was capturing the essence and the spirit of the orgy. I especially liked seeing Lucie having fun, plastering JonJon's face with cake, laughing with Timea Bella, getting fucked by the other dudes rather than her boyfriend... Her huge melons greedily sucked by Timea in close shot and from below..
I would have hated seeing her in the "boring" type of action like she shot with DDF, icing on the cake being her own bf doing her, how much of a turn off is that??
My opinion, and that's fine if you or others don't agree, is that LP is the best studio she could have picked for her "career". It's not my cup of tea, but I am turned on by what they produced because they know what they're doing, and it's extremely hardcore. I would have preferred more facials, less anal, more creampies, more POV, more 1 on 1, less DP, blah blah blah, but guess what? I don't bitch about it

Maybe she will have a long career and shoot for other producers later on. Who knows. Maybe Dorcel will shoot her so that you're happy with your softporn and cheesy acting and ridiculous stories. Heck, I used to watch that and it didn't bother me the least bit. Now I just think it's not my taste anymore, that's it.
Patrick2 wrote: I can see why the LP guys wanted to shoot her first scenes but was there really nothing else available for this girl? I don't know her situation but I can't imagine that she was okay with going full gonzo right from the start and that is why she looks the way she does in all her LP scenes.
exactly. you don't know her situation. you're a porn fan. which is fine, just know that your opinion is worth what it is. and that's -again- fine, as long as you remember that.
The ripples of lucie wild shooting hardcore for LP have rocked the entire porn market, I can tell you that. Market reaction to seeing a baby faced chick with huge natural boobs doing hardcore, anal, and orgies has been fantastic. In these times of piracy, dearth and drought of money from porn consumers, she's a blessing for an industry that is sick and may not recover from piracy, and if it does, it will never be the same. Instead of bitching about how ideal you want YOUR porn, you should be on your knees thanking whichever divinity you believe in, for the fact that she is in porn, doing hardcore, period. Had she known her potential right from the start, hypothetically being equipped with wisdom, brains and career envy, she would have NEVER done any porn at all, just soft and have all these guys BEG for the sight of her boobs. Lots of girls make a fortune like that, and you can dream about seeing their pussy close to a penis, it will NEVER EVER happen, because they're savvy, market aware, and they know they can command a premium price for almost nothing to show. Lucie did not do that, but don't worry, she is certainly also extremely happy with her financial situation, you can bet on it.
Patrick2 wrote:She has the look of a deer in headlights. All she is waiting is for the car to hit her. I'd also like to point out that shooting a scene in a white room on a white couch is not the most ideal way to emphasize the beauty of anyone.
it's again just your own perception. I would say it emphasizes the girl's features instead of distracting the viewer with surroundings, props, colors...
I love to shoot with a white background precisely for these reasons. It makes every bad pose look bad, and there's no hiding bad angles, bad lighting, bad exposure and let me tell you that it is not trivial to get a good white balance in white settings with a model that has color on her clothes, plus a window in the background. It's a bitch with pictures, it's hell with video.
About the deer in the headlights, I think she has a tendency to have that, but she has this for DDF and as I said, less or not at all for LP. As you said, she's 18. It's a strange experience for anyone at this age, to be on a set, with so many people, and being told to do stuff in a foreign language, when not so long ago you were still in school.
Ask yourself why is it that she is doing it. Would you like your daughter to do that? It's a different topic, but the world is like it is. Had she been graced with smarts, good education, and other things like strong self esteem, she would have never been a deer in the highlights in porn videos.
Patrick2 wrote:Not that it seems to be something the LP guys care about. I always get the feeling that their main interest is that the girls be willing to shoot some pretty extreme stuff and that the guys treat them like meat.
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And?
what's your point?

LP is not treating them like meat. Or you have not seen the full range of porn productions. It's enough to look, not very far, really really close around here actually, and you will see girls being treated like meat. Demeaned. Assaulted. Brutalized. Choked. In tears. And? whatever the reason for the producers to shoot the way they do, it's not your call to judge it. You can definitely patronize or NOT patronize them, but judging what's better or worse, it's a matter of taste.
My opinion is that the girls in LP scenes not only are active participants, but most of them enjoy and they even want to go for more rides. I have this feeling from watching their trailers, but most importantly, from what the girls tell me too, and they have no specific reason to lie about that.
Even with the other productions where they are treated like meat, some of them like it and want to come back! Is that a problem? no. they're free to like or not like, what could be problematic is when they would not be informed prior to the shoot, and subject to this treatment without their full consent. To me, THAT is problematic