Porn biz models (for the crisis)

[dap-addict]

Lets face it: Once big names are dead or almost. Think CC for instance.
Economic and priacy crisis are to blame, but also a lack of adaption to new technologies be it as old as the internet.
But lets concentrate on the good examples, big ones and niche!
I wonder what makes them survive in the eyes of porn fans as well as their competitors and/or biz friends?


For instance:
- Pierre Woodman: Up to 90 rookies, many first anal/first dap scenes, hairy ass older stud fucking young girls. Easy to join online. Fanboy forum.
History: from expensive super productions in exotic countries to home made porn, but still always scouting in new border countries.

- Sineplex/legalporn: Cheaper Czech and Russian models, no exclusivity but hard gang actions with a good niche feel. Fussy to join online.
History: Still basically sticking to a gggbb, IR and niche formula.

- cumfortune: shootin almost all Europorn babes around for their 1on1 niche concept. Intimate feel. Cum fun.
History: Sticking to the same formula, but its a young porn company.

- Christoph Clark: Trying to shoot hardcore lez and distribute it on old traditional channels.
History: From the top fetish oriented hardcore producer coming down in the crisis to a niche. Dramatic sales loss. But not giving up completely.



just a nice biz model example...

more:
http://www.woodmancastingx.com/
http://legalporno.com/
http://cumfortune.com/
http://www.evilangel.com/en/director/Christoph-Clark/2


Had to include an anti-model. But basically I am looking for success stories be it with a large mainstream public or the niche consumer.
A lot are missing still...Rocco, 21S, agencies casting sites, amateur sites a la Czech gangbang... You name it and please discuss!

[Robin]

Lets face it: Once big names are dead or almost. Think CC for instance.
Economic and priacy crisis are to blame, but also a lack of adaption to new technologies be it as old as the internet.

i think traditional model of paid sites will disappear. Free sites lead the rankings of visits and searches. I know about a popular spanish site pay with daily updates is now in process of remodeling to be a free tube site with premium zone with the exclusive contents.

Internet is = free. Only those companies who will getting associate with giant tubes or making their own tubes for hoarding so much traffic as possible (and hence potential sales in their premium zones) are those that will survive and continue producing porn...

if you cannot with your enemy, join him

[utopiaa]

I don't know how a concept of offering the scenes for free in low quality and maybe some ads or something and then having a premium zone where you get the stuff in HD if you pay. Kinda like you can preview the whole scene and if you like it then you can pay and get it in better quality.

It amazes me how crappy quality most of the tube scenes are and still people will watch them.

[Robin]

Perhaps I've been a little exaggerated in... Traditional paysites with good and known brands will not dissapeared, but is important for the companies to have also their own big free content sites, or be asociated with some big tube.

Traffic is the King on the internet, and that just gets it with free content sites.

[arnoldsty]

Pirated content is main enemy of porn biz.

Why can't the remaining big studios get together to hire a common team of pirate fighters. They can keep finding the pirated porn on all these tube sites and keep sending them legal notices.

Infact this job can be outsourced for cheap to India, Philippines or somewhere else.

[Robin]

this is a difficult problem to solve because I see that major companies like Manwin, Bangbros, etc are involved having their own tubes, even in Spain the Cumlouder owner has made ​​his own tubes(serviporno.com,videosgratis.tv, etc, etc) with big traffic and uploading tons of full recently pirated videos from all the companies and earn money with that.

what is the solution?

[arnoldsty]

I think the torrent and file sharing sites are even bigger threat than the tube sites. There are porn forums that are full of links to these file sharing files.

But there are some porn sites whose material is rare or even non-existent on those sites. Maybe those sites just have a good legal team

What is your legal strategy, Robin? Keep sending DMCA notices.

[Robin]

Sending dmca notices is work for the companies, i'm not the owner of most of the videos that i made.

Videos on tubes are instant, faster, increasingly higher quality, you have all the content, niches, brands, actresses you want... I think worst for the biz than torrents...

[Am0rIn0]

the few file hosters are easy to handle, but once it is mass distributed via torrent you can DMCA your ass, you will never ever be able to remove everything.

[zorge]

- cumforcover: shootin almost all Europorn babes around for their 1on1 niche concept. Intimate feel. Cum fun.
History: Sticking to the same formula, but its a young porn company.

I thought that Cumforcover stopped updating years ago, just like all of the Raul Christian sites. Has that changed?

Oh, nevermind... I see the other thread about PerfectGonzo starting back up. well, that's good news.

[dap-addict]

Thanks, zorge, my bad: I meant cumfortune!
Anyway you bring that thread back where I intended it originally, ie. no piracy and file-sharing talk, but rather working business models despite those bugs.

cumfortune for instance offeres a niche product generating money for quite a good number of updates with almost every porn girl hitting Prague or Buda!

[cumfortune]

i think that is is crucial to provide special content. as on my site for example i just do stuff the models also like. maybe you dont get so many customers, but this also makes the brand. to find scenes your are especially looking for is hard on tube sites or torrent sites and it takes a lot of time to find your content. if you are especially looking for a certain kind of sex scenes it makes it much more easier to join a site, where you KNOW you find the stuff you like. hard, soft, romantic, gonzo, films... it doesn´t matter. and this is it worth for some customers to spend some euros. for example i dont care of this rule to have as many different faces to cover most customers diseres. i do and did up to 30 sets with one model like abbie cat or rose delight. the chemistry was good, the scenes reflect that and customers liek that. most customers on my site never cancelled. so also small amounts of new subscriptions brings you some profit, because they stay.

i also tell short stories to each scene. on scenes which are not so good or even bad i tell my customers why this happened. sometimes because my lack of performance, somtimes (1 out of 50) because the choice of a mediocre model. so i dont sell myself as the mr. superfucker and i also dont sell the girls as pieces of meat to fuck. its all down on a realistic human basis and i think this is what my site makes special.

as i just have a very small site i can communicate with customers directly and try to make scenes according to their wishes they send me with email. e.g. pantyhose with this model e.t.c. if the wish is acceptable for my style i can do that.

big sites have a big staff to pay and this machinery needs constant huge amounts of money. if you are small, you can adopt to market developments much more easier. i do everything by myself. pov-logical but also editing, webdesigning and even the music i do myself. so i am very flexible in terms of how much content i can afford to produce. if the income is small, i just wait until enough money is in place to start the next production. there are no employees waiting for their samery (just some models and agencies are pushing some times

one of the best examples is wendy moon or abbie cat here

http://cumfortune.com/Promos/List_96.htm

[dejanbear]

@cumfortune
You have great models and I like POV style, but somehow your scenes (site) are soooo boring.
First off all I think its the fact that you use models that are in industry long time or are very well known.
And you don't do anything that we haven't seen them doing. Maybe its only me, loving to see new girls in action.

Anyway, keep doing your work. Nice style of life, fucking beautiful girls and even earning money of it.

[oA_Ao]

For me, it is important that I can pay for only clips\scenes I want. I dont like subscriptions for ~30 days. I want to support the producers, but I also want a fair trade\price. LEGALPORNO allows me to pay for clips I want. Because the price is fair (~3$) I pay this with a good feeling and support the producers.

[cumfortune]

@dejanbear: although your post is off topic (in this thread we should discuss bussiness models that work in the crisis) i would like to reply that first i dont think that my content is boring for my customers, otherwise they would not jopin or stay. if plain "boy fucks girl" would be boring, porn bussiness would not exist. my site-layout in deed is a little boring due to my skills in dreamweaver but maybe someone could help

if you watch the clips of wendy or abbie cat on in the link i posted, i think this is extrordinary good quality of pov, i never have seen this on any other pov site before.

in my opinion erotic emerges by having the possibility (as customer) to mentally project yourself into the action with the model (pix or video) - thats all. the more weird and extraordinary your content is, the more difficult is the process in the minds of the customers. this is why my site is about quite normal sex (with some extraordinary aspects sometimes when the work between me and the model is driven by real passion).