Syphilis Outbreak in Budapest

[olga cabaeva]

Hi guys ! Anyone from agents or producers can comment on it
https://twitter.com/CharlieDeanPorn/sta ... 11648?s=19
(And,yes,I read PW forum about 2 positive girls)

[Pierre Woodman]

Olga please why did you wrote "Syphilis Outbreak in Budapest" when the girls infected are Slovak and Latvian having both worked in same studio in Prague since begining of November 2018 and NOWHERE else.
Slovak didn't work in Hungary since half a year and Latvian was there in september and october last with perfect blood test but did not came back since November 4.2018.
Jason Steel got a positive syphilis test in Budapest in November but he was coming back from ...Prague. It's because the Hungarian labor gave the alert that we all know about Jason problem but in case this test will have been made in CZ, for sure only Jason himself could have told it or not because the labor used know in CZ don't tell anything.
End of 2017 when David Perry got syphilis after he also came back from Prague, NOBODY was found infected in CZ said all agencies there. But already few month ago one guy started to claim there was a guy coming from england and working at same studio than the two girls now, having been found syphilis positive at the end of 2017 but secret was very well hidden and it's only after one of their producer had a problem in 2018 with another performer that they put up this story on Twitter. But again no one really pay attention on this.
So myself I'm neutral about who is getting what and where, I am just a guy having sex with girls from this industry and I feel more and more insecure when I shoot in Prague than in Budapest because there are possibilities to fake the test from the usual labor they almost all use since 2013 after I started to speak about Mike Angelo syphilis and also because due to the new law in CZ, there are a total silence from labor when someone is found with a sickness.
2 years ago in Prague, I have had in my room a girl with a Hepatitis C test positive from this CZ labor ( I have the original in my home ) and this girl did 3 shoot the week after in Prague. tell me how is this possible. In Budapest it can't happen ...

PW

[olga cabaeva]

I didn't write it was in Budapest or Barcelona ,or Prague. I just put a link on topic "Outbreak in Budapest",because there is no threat about STD.
Btw,it's already in xbiz news
https://twitter.com/TVXboss/status/1084 ... 76705?s=19

[olga cabaeva]

Can anyone explain me why whole UK is on shutdown meanwhile girls shoot in Prague? 2 positive syphilis girls were found there. Right?

[Pierre Woodman]

Because the top best company who said since 6 years I am a liar just finally start to put the mask down and shows how they don't care aout people health as I have always said.

They refuse the syphilis outbreak and continue to shoot even if the 2 infected girls was working ONLY for them the two last month of 2018.

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How does Giorgio know so well all this if none out of LP knows that ??? it prooves all ...

PW

[ss_pov]

Just few thoughts about this matter:

1) if someone has been infected and has continued to work without any problem (end of November to January is a quite long time) this probably means that something in the control procedures has worked wrong.
2) the health of all performers have to be a "must" for all, companies and performers, eachone have to trust that all the people involved in this business do their best in order to keep the risk as low as possible, if not zero risk.
3) In order to keep everyone on the safe side an automatich mechanism of sharing of informations should be build and keep in place (if not already in place)
4) Money is important but healty is more important. In my opinion business is good when money is good and healty is good too.

so in my opinion instead of venturing into mutual arguments and accusations would be better to reset everything and restart to work with common rules and respect even if this means freeze all till the end of quarantine period.

[giorgiograndi]

I do not really want to argue on that matter on a forum, but if you really want to have my point of view (as I previously did not express my point of view, not even in the doc I published)

The real problem are the performers that fuck outside from the stage.
Second are the big mouths that talk without to have a picture of that is going on.
Than the fights between producers feed the doubts and the bad things and do not act in the interest of the performers.

Both the model worked with a valid and negative medical test (as the other performers involved in the scenes), than they have been tested positive. What is the fault of the producer? None.
One model told it directly, the other did not give a shit and she even probably lied about to take the treatment as apparently she is not listed in the hygienic office (I update the doc with that information already). Can we control this? No we cant.

Because of the last GDPR update, Medicentrum (that before allowed the sharing of medical exam. with producers and agents), took down the website. I investigate that rule and it is not clear if even with the signature of the performer is possible to share the results of his medical exam. What they are doing in Budapest is not something will be probably done in Czech Republic, we have to deal with it. This is how it is. Everyone would like to have a online database where to check everyone, but if the lab doesnt want to do it, what we suppose to do? The performers should stop shooting? Came on, its silly.

Said that, we did a list of all the performers that performed with the patient 0. Because of holiday time (basically no one shoots in Cz from 15 December to 5 January), we have already almost 3 weeks of "holiday quarantine", this is why the situation is so clear and to impose a stop (that most will not respect) is simply stupid as it is stupid and irresponsible to use this matter to look cool with magazines or to blame someone.

If someone of the performer, without a negative medical test after 6 weeks from the contact will turn positive (we talk about few people), the problem is already limited to few partners that are already aware.

If there is a real situation of danger, for impose a "forced stop", you need the support of the performers (and they do not support it on this specific case), of the big and medium producers and the model agencies in Czech Republic. If in Budapest someone called a stop, probably it is absolutely not based on what going on in Prague as the situation here is very, very clear.

What terrifies me, is to scream STOP and SCANDAL every time we are close to the fire and I know soon or later the fire will be too close and no one would care. The stop needs to be imposed when there is a real risk, you cant impose a stop for blame the people that do not respect it.

All the rest is gossip and antics from people that do not act in the interest of the industry but in their own interest (that for sure doesnt match the interest of everyone else). Its pathetic.

I would remember that the last real epidemic of siphilis stared in budapest and was carried from a Russian girl tested negative at Interlab. In Prague we almost did not get any positive. Because some year before the big epidemic was in Prague (now Im talking about 10 years ago), I know after that situation the technology was improved, probably they did the same at Interlab.

I am pretty sure the technology available now is very different and more efficient, this is why we have only sporadic cases lately, it is simply connect to the fact that the testing facility use better technology, this is why also the way to act of the industry should be very different.

The TrepSure exam. used in USA is not very different from what is performed in CZ and it is not even approved from "blood donation" (at least in CZ). We have the technology for work save, what we miss is 14 days testing (instead then 4 weeks) the professionalism of the people involved in the industry and no fucking stupid gossip.

[olga cabaeva]

All the rest is gossip and antics from people that do not act in the interest of the industry but in their own interest (that for sure doesnt match the interest of everyone else). Its pathetic.

We are all think just about our own asses.
Btw,it's already 4th outbreak in UK in 1,5 year. First one was related to David who gave false positive. Second- with one American HIV positive guy,and MindGeek told us to stoop because American performers travel to UK too. 3d-German guy and 4 th it's related to M.
You know MindGeek and FSC rules in UK. Even it's a small company shooting somewhere in Leed who uses just local performers and has nothing to see with US or Budapest and Prague,yes,they must stop.

Are they 2 positive girls (M and T)? Or there is 3 one who was sent home not long time ago by the company? Teeny girl? I don't put nationality ,as I don't trust EBI flags. Or it's just a rumour?

Thanx both Giorgio and Pierre for answers

[giorgiograndi]

What they do in USA is not something I have want to comment, they have their rules and they work accordingly.

The point is not that David was probably not positive, the problem is that panic brought 100 performer to get an injection: this is insane, totally illegal and very dangerous.
I know of a production in December that required to the performers to make the injection, came on are you kidding me?
Everyone continue to write everywhere the "incubation time" of the syphilis is up to 3 months, but its so rare that is technically more easy to get infected having sex with condom than have 3 months of incubation (because you can transmit a disease just with skin contact for fuck sake).
So there is no point to have a topic on this, we just need to apply common sense instead than try to shit on someone else.
Performers (boys and girls) have sex also outside from the stage and with the syphilis, the condom is not totally "save"

All the rest is gossip and antics from people that do not act in the interest of the industry but in their own interest (that for sure doesnt match the interest of everyone else). Its pathetic.

We are all think just about our own asses.
Btw,it's already 4th outbreak in UK in 1,5 year. First one was related to David who gave false positive. Second- with one American HIV positive guy,and MindGeek told us to stoop because American performers travel to UK too. 3d-German guy and 4 th it's related to M.
You know MindGeek and FSC rules in UK. Even it's a small company shooting somewhere in Leed who uses just local performers and has nothing to see with US or Budapest and Prague,yes,they must stop.

Are they 2 positive girls (M and T)? Or there is 3 one who was sent home not long time ago by the company? Teeny girl? I don't put nationality ,as I don't trust EBI flags. Or it's just a rumour?

Thanx both Giorgio and Pierre for answers

[olga cabaeva]

Everyone continue to write everywhere the "incubation time" of the syphilis is up to 3 months, but its so rare that is technically more easy to get infected having sex with condom than have 3 months of incubation (because you can transmit a disease just with skin contact for fuck sake).

About "just with skin contact " it must be very rare case. If it was common thing, all London underground would be infected At least twice a day ,early morning and after 5 pm you have skin contact with dozens stinky strangers in British metro.
So...3 girl is just rumour or true? She was listed in Budapest from 28 November. Shot for TMW

Yes,I know it's illegal to sell /inject antibiotics if a person doesn't have anything. My doc freaked out when I showed her some pictures on Twitter . Happy performers posing in lab with pills and jab .But ,I guess,all was done via private clinics,I doubt any government institution will do it. Mr Marcus also was working under effect of jab and we all know how it ended. It doesn't save situation.
Yes,there are plenty posts about 3 months quarantine

[Pierre Woodman]

Thanx both Giorgio and Pierre for answers

- I wish people open their eyes and admit in the last 6 years all problem from Mike Angelo till now connected with the syphilis has the same company involved directly on undirectly with it
so maybe it's first of all neccessary this people admit they are not what they pretend to be and the fact they refuse to stop shooting when there is a syphilis outreaks mean how they care of the performers health !!!

- Now about the syphilis :

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so yes in some case it can be 3 months incubation, but sorry 2 skinny girls at same place both need a period been over the 2 months they worked for this company ??? Yes it is not impossible but ...

PW

[damiandingdong]

This has been going on for a little over a year now I would not be surprised if it never totaly cleared. Something is seriously wrong with the way they handle these situations in Praha. I hope it's only 3 girls, and how many men now? These girls don't get it without some male performers being infected and still working. Even those only worried about them selves and keeping these things silent will be effeected in the end because no girl wants to work in this mess. People in Budapest are worried, we have actually been very lucky this didn't explode (yet?) Some people have to wake up, labs have to work together, the bigger agencies should unite on this matter and make sure we don't distroy what is left of this industry in Europe.

[Am0rIn0]

Let's stop beeing hysterical and focus on the medical facts for a moment:

1. incubation time is long and the biggest issue, trepsure test can be a solution in this matter
2. transfer rate seems to be very low, there was a GB with 20 people and only 2 are positive, that's a rate of 1:10. Similiar was it a year ago, only 3 performers (who shoot a lot) were tested positive as far I know, no one else after
3. it is the most easily curable STD, in opposite to Gonorrhea, Treponema pallidum (Syphilis) hasn't developed any resistance against normal penicillin since its discovery over 100 years ago. While there are Gonorrhea mutations which are already resistant against every avaiable antibiotic on the market
4. one penicillin shot or a antibiotic standard therapy against Chlamydia or Gonorrhea kills Syphilis too

To spread mass hysteria is bad for the biz overall as it scares off new models, while there is absolutely no reason to be afraid.

[damiandingdong]

Let's stop beeing hysterical and focus on the medical facts for a moment:

1. incubation time is long and the biggest issue, trepsure test can be a solution in this matter
2. transfer rate seems to be very low, there was a GB with 20 people and only 2 are positive, that's a rate of 1:10. Similiar was it a year ago, only 3 performers (who shoot a lot) were tested positive as far I know, no one else after
3. it is the most easily curable STD, in opposite to Gonorrhea, Treponema pallidum (Syphilis) hasn't developed any resistance against normal penicillin since its discovery over 100 years ago. While there are Gonorrhea mutations which are already resistant against every avaiable antibiotic on the market
4. one penicillin shot or a antibiotic standard therapy against Chlamydia or Gonorrhea kills Syphilis too

To spread mass hysteria is bad for the biz overall as it scares off new models, while there is absolutely no reason to be afraid.

You have good points, but the situation still shows a weakness in the EU system. The labs are not coordinated well with the industry. The way xbizz and avn wrote about it, it looks like a bunch of amateurs here in Europe. I agree they are overreacting too, and they write about an incident as if it involves everybody. But things like Piere wrote about the Hypatitis C infected girl who still shot two scenes in the EU should never be possible. (That you can't cure.) Syphilis can be cured, they all survive and work again. It's just a bad sign that this can linger for over a year.

[Am0rIn0]

If it would have lingered for a year, there would have occured some more cases already last year. The problem is private sex and escort, syphilis is reported to beeing transfered by oral sex and even kissing as Treponema pallidum can enter the blood stream via mucosae. So basically if a model does escort/ private shooting with condom but kisses and blows unprotected she can infect herself.

I estimate that at least 50% of porn biz already happens in a grey zone, consisting of private shooters and escort. Nobody can coordinate and control that.

xbizz and avn hype this case a lot, typically for news papers who make their money with fear and hysteria which brings more clicks, but US biz should rather bake smaller cakes as they had already some HIV cases, while I can't remember any HIV cases in Europe within last 10 years. Moreover an american actor once faked his positive Syphilis result into a negative one and shot in Europe...

HIV and Hepa C are the most serious stuff. Syphilis is a joke against them. I don't know about the Hepa C girl Woody mentioned, I just once saw a test where a model had a Hepa C result in grey zone and in backup test she was finally negative for Hepa C, I did not shoot her anyway.

Czech erotic model biz is already dead, the good cz newcomers who stumble into porn each year you can count on one hand, to now spread hysteria won't make it better.