Will porn no longer be profitable in the future

[opap]

http://nymag.com/news/features/70985/

[yenping]

A lot of special features that porn sites offer like HD or fast download speeds just doesn't appeal to consumers anymore.

HD is overrated imo; a 30 minute video at 400MB is sufficient for the vast majority of people. It's not as we're interested in the girl's hair follicles.

File sharing sites all increase their download speeds every year.

[Pierre Woodman]

Exactly ...
At the moment the only good solution I found is to be the nearest as I can from the fans and listen them, making a good forum of discussion, giving what they like and make them understand than piracy will erase all this !!!

PW

[yenping]

Exactly ...
At the moment the only good solution I found is to be the nearest as I can from the fans and listen them, making a good forum of discussion, giving what they like and make them understand than piracy will erase all this !!!

PW

well said Bigfoot Woodman

[Sir Noel Plum]

A lot of special features that porn sites offer like HD or fast download speeds just doesn't appeal to consumers anymore.

HD is overrated imo; a 30 minute video at 400MB is sufficient for the vast majority of people. It's not as we're interested in the girl's hair follicles.

What i liked about this comment is the memories it brought back. When I was a teenager and for some time after, my whole experience of porn revolved around VHS tapes that were, i have no doubt, copies of copies of copies! Looking back and thinking how bad the quality was brings a smile to my face. I remember being blown away the first time I got hold of a couple of original Private VHS tapes; then again when I watched my first porno DVD's.

The problem is i am not so sure i agree with your actual argument. I know we all tend to view the world from our own perspective (to you, I assume, perfect picture quality is not so important, whereas to me it is) I have to say that whilst I agree that probably the majority of porn viewers are happy to watch lower quality (even 'digital mush' tube sites) I am not so sure the proportions are quite the same when you narrow things down to those individuals who actually are prepared to pay for content. I mean to say, people have been discussing the merits of the success of Brazzers here but one thing that is not in question is that those guys have produced some really pin-sharp 1080p scenes, well lit and still detailed when things are moving fast on-screen.
There is so much porn about unless a site (or a scene) has both quality action and the picture quality to match I am just simply not interested anymore.

As for the piracy issue, I have found it interesting the direction that Sineplex has gone, where they seem to be cross-checking every customer and then individually encoding each and every download to make them traceable to that specific customer. It sure seems like a lot of work but I can certainly see it being a major deterrant to anyone thinking of filesharing their stuff. Having said that, their other deterrant of pricing their membership so high that 99% of people wouldn't join in a million years probably helps as well (for UK residents their pricing is $67 for literally half a dozen scenes)!
At the other end of the scale a site like Evil Angel is giving me membership for a tenner a month and throwing an incredible amount of, generally, high quality and high definition content my way. Maybe this is another way to stamp out piracy? Maximise your customer base by keeping the price low and making joining the site seem like a sensible decision even IF you would usually hunt down the content gratis on torrent or filesharing sites. Point is, there clearly are some workeable business models out there, though my heart dows go out to people like PW here who put their heart and soul into their sites just to see everything stolen and shared as soon as it goes up (though PW, please try comparing some of your large 1080p files to those of some of your competitors - I have 'sampled' a couple of your scenes with a view to joining and although the action is superb how can a 2-3Gb file STILL go all blocky and noisy when things start moving fast?)

[Pierre Woodman]

I love when people have two faces ...

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So please give me your adress, I will come for a month using the ass of your wife and go but don't worry I will not steal anything and she will be here when you will come back ...

PW

[karasek]

A lot of special features that porn sites offer like HD or fast download speeds just doesn't appeal to consumers anymore.

HD is overrated imo; a 30 minute video at 400MB is sufficient for the vast majority of people. It's not as we're interested in the girl's hair follicles.

I'm sure sites like Brazzers know their download statistics and don't offer Full HD without reason.
People have fast Internet connections, they have media centers, and they have big flatscreens. Downloading 2GB is no problem for most people these days, media players are cheap, and flatscreens are made for HD. I'm sure most people want HD.

At the other end of the scale a site like Evil Angel is giving me membership for a tenner a month and throwing an incredible amount of, generally, high quality and high definition content my way. Maybe this is another way to stamp out piracy? Maximise your customer base by keeping the price low and making joining the site seem like a sensible decision even IF you would usually hunt down the content gratis on torrent or filesharing sites.

Exactly. Brazzers costs something like 10$/month. They offer one to three (I'm not sure) HD movies and a photo set with huge pics each day, plus monthly live shows. It simply makes more sense to join the site than trying to download them via some filesharing sites.

[yenping]

Anyone on this forum who says he's never used share sites is a liar, so stfu Pierre. Non-legendary scenes older than ten years can ONLY be found you know where.

[Pierre Woodman]

I know but there are many things that YOU you don't know and one day people like you and others thinking it's right to take for free what people have paid to create, you'll have a huge surprise when I will put my book on sale and show the world what I did for so long !!!

PW

[philippe xxx]

This analogy would be accurate if Woodman (or any pornsite) was selling a material object. But he's not. What he is selling to you is a right to copy an immaterial object for your personnal use.

So please give me your adress, I will come for a month using the ass of your wife and go but don't worry I will not steal anything and she will be here when you will come back ...
PW

More innacurate analogy, the main flaw I see being that he can not use his wife's ass while you're fucking her. For the analogy to be correct, he would have to clone his wife and sell the ass of his cloned wife to you (with the consent of the clone of course) and piracy would be like fucking the clone up the ass without paying him .

[Pierre Woodman]

OK so next time you'll take the train, seat down inside, don't paid and explain to the guy who will put you a fine, you're not a thief, you just use "something" for free because you have possibility to do it !!!
I'm sure he will understand your point of view.
People are easy going to tell the fact to take a video that someone has produced is not a theft but for sure no one off those assholes who does it, if tomorrow they was at my place, will agree another one touch what they did and do the same !!!

PW

[opap]

for some people internet means flatrate wanking

[Vulture]

The key point with piracy is whether the person who copied the work (LP, DVD, whatever) would have bought it had they not copied it. If so, it's clearly a problem. If not, it isn't and may in fact be beneficial for the band/director etc. just by getting the work out there to more people. Most studies of music piracy show that by and large, those that frequently copy music also spend a certain amount of money on music and this amount has changed little with the advent of torrent sites etc. What those people tend to do now is consume for free over and above what they spend.

Basically, a big music fan may buy about 6 CDs a month. So pre-internet, he/she would have done that and that's it. Now, he/she still buys 6 CDs a month but nabs maybe another 4 via torrents. So this torrent theft isn't a problem for the music industry. In fact it's healthy as it's making said music fan more hungry and the bands he/she pilfered via torrents this month may be the ones he/she buys next time around or goes to see in concert etc. Most musicians will tell you they have no issue with their stuff being nabbed as it's more people who are likely to come to see them live. The free publicity is still publicity.

Porn is a bit different, because porn consumers are generally not "collectors" like music fans. It doesn't matter that much if you have original or copied porn scenes, because they're generally hidden away either in DVD wallets or on your PC etc. And there is less of a "live" arena for porn for which DVDs can act as an "in". So porn has clearly taken a much bigger hit from internet piracy than music. What the answer is I don't really know, but if good quality DVDs can be made and internet sites serviced at reasonably low cost to the consumer then the benefits of downloading from free torrent sites certainly dwindle. That's easy for me to say on this side of the fence though. I've downloaded porn via torrents but I also like to buy DVDs just because it's a more fun experience and I want to give back to the industry. Prices are a bit of an issue though. I would hope there are enough people like me to keep the porn DVD market alive but who knows. Problem for me is I just can't find current porn DVDs I like due to the overly violent nature of them. But that's a different debate.

[Pierre Woodman]

Anyway we can debate until the end of the time about it !!! One thing is sure, the Xbusiness is in very bad shape because of all this bullshit we are speaking about here !!! If it was not hurting our business, of course I will not care if some people make fraud, but the simple fact 80 % of the industry is almost dead today , should be a good reason to understand the day it will be finish you will have nothing more to pirate ...

PW

[philippe xxx]

OK so next time you'll take the train, seat down inside, don't paid and explain to the guy who will put you a fine, you're not a thief, you just use "something" for free because you have possibility to do it !!!
I'm sure he will understand your point of view.
PW

Well that's a slighly better analogy. Of course for it to be trully accurate, you would have to imagine a train where 80% of the people don't pay, where the number of seats is unlimited (when you pirate you don't prevent the other customers from having a seat). Most importantly, the train you're in is only one in a multitude of means of transportations, some of them completely free (all the stuff you already have but the train goes to a place where you've already been, the tube sites: free but the quality is mediocre and it take ages to come to destination) and some transports a bit expensive but first class (the good legal pornsites, the paying direct download sites with fast connection a la megaupload, ...)

You're in the railway station, you just want to go somewhere, anywhere. In that context, is getting in Woodman's train without paying a ticket really that bad ?

And Note that I'm not advocating piracy, I'm just giving my point of view about the psychological process behind it.