why is porn becoming so boring?

[Xenomorgue]

Yeah. This is a sentiment that I share with you.

The real world is run by specialists such as policy makers, physicians, scientists, engineers, managers, computer experts etc.

Internet forums and newsgroups are like a shadow-world, run by society's underbelly. A world of mediocrity, sillyness, frustration and resentment.

[alexxx]

I don't understand too much the flames here.
By my side I tried to explain how things are going and that there's nothing such wrong or horrible or boring in the actual porn.

I just like to say that (besides what few porn-artists or porn-believers are doing) most of the products out are driven by the viewers and not conceived by some alien.

It is only matter of taste but there's enough for everybody here and I don't think is bad.

[Camarillobrillo]

Internet forums and newsgroups are like a shadow-world, run by society's underbelly. A world of mediocrity, sillyness, frustration and resentment.

No flame intended please but this one reminds me a little
of the Danger Seeker episode in The Kentucky Fried Movie

if this is your point of view then what exactly are you doin' roaming
in the underbelly of the society ??

Some kind of academic interest or just takin' a walk on the wild side ??

As for me i'm a musician...so i'm already the underbelly of the society

[pplolo]

what is funny is that this guy is quoted "human rights advocate"

He also does not seem to understand that an engineer can be a porno amateur and so on
Nor does he understand that it is all these "Muppets" that fill his pockets and buy the mainstream products .But maybe they should buy the products and shut up...You see what russia became after decades of this attitude.

The essence of a forum is that everybody can express his views,if you are not happy with that just create a private forum based on invitations to be part of it.

[Camarillobrillo]

The essence of a forum is that everybody can express his views...

Ooopsss sorry...i forgot to say something about the post subject...
In truth i think the whole idea of this thread is bordering fried air.

Just like alexxx cleverly pointed out in his last post
there's enough for any tastes here and I don't think it's bad at all.

Besides that if i was to found this last wave of porn so much boring
i probably wouldn't be here in the first place to post the question.

Just my opinion and, as you said, i'm entitled to this so don't flame

[kenbac]

I don’t think Porn gets boring. I think we get bored with porn.
How many times can you watch your favourite babe being fucked or any babe for that matter before getting bored with it?
When the video boom came in the early 80’s, most porn was fucking and sucking ending in facials.
Anal sex was included sometimes. (Delores del Rio was good at taking it up the ass)
Interracial sex was very unusual in US films.
Double penetration either vaginal or anal was not seen.
Nor were cream pies.
And as for ATM or ATOGM - not a chance
But they had other things that have become rare, like story lines and stylish wardrobes, all which added to the interest.
Now we have (in my opinion) too much POV and the like.
Porn has changed over the years and producers are aware that they must introduce something fresh to to keep it all alive.
And fortunately we appear to have the never-ending addition of gorgeous new Babes, which goes a huge way to stop Porn being boring.
After all we all love to see newbies getting it.

[Grizzly]

I find that I'm getting increasingly bored with porn, too. Maybe it's just because we've seen it all. Then again...

I can pinpoint my personal boredom by looking at sites like DDF or 21sextury. In my opinion, up until two years ago or so (even a bit longer in case of 21st), they offered the best porn sites on the internet. Then, all of a sudden, all their girls started to look the same: heavy make-up, slutty attires... I've already ranted about how this turns me off elsewhere. I see pictures from their castings, I think, "wow, cute girl - I'd really like to see her in action", and when they do shoot the girl in action, they've worked her over so badly that you can't tell her apart from all the other a-dime-a-dozen models. Standard professional porn slut. Why would I want to see that? Variatio delectat, as the ancient Romans already knew - it's variety that keeps you pleased!

Moreover, and also lamented elsewhere on this forum, more and more of the once so lovely natural eastern European girls are getting plastic surgery - and the major producers keep hiring them, too! Sorry, guys, if I wanted to see girls with fake boobs, I would be frequenting US porn sites! (Surprisingly enough, more and more US models choose to keep their natural breasts - could this be a new trend over there???)

My favourite site at the present is TryTeens/WTBC/YoungThroats/Whatever. They are certainly a bore, too, because of their total lack of imagination - always the same setting, always the same routine. But at least they keep bringing new sweet girls into the fold, that look natural and, to a certain degree, inexperienced and innocent. I still enjoy seeing them get assfucked or deepthroated - cute! And then they move on to, say, Sineplex, get the SPPS (Standard Professional Porn Slut) workover, and are completely lost to me...

Just my two cents...

[dap-addict]

You confirm what I think.
If you only had to work to stay in the porn business, then why so many girls who are ready to perform very hard action do not stay in it ?
(as you admit it yourself)
Why such beautiful and fantastic performers (as Wiska ... and others ) cannot make more films and make good money with their work ?
Because this porn business is ruled by a mafia of ridiculous amateurs.

If you want to stay in the biz you have to work. This is valid for evryone: the girls who must be able to perform almost any kind of scene; the producers who must keep up the financing; the agents who must have always a newbie to present in the sets...
But nobody is forcing these ladies.
You could be surprised but here in St Petersburg where I am now it is not difficult to find 18-19 yo ladies ready for porn.
This surprise even me because few years ago it was not easy to find a newbie doing deepthroating and DP and fisting!
Now they are ok and for sure they will find job because the market is big and even a niche is important.
I understand your point if you feel too much driven by the market-money but porn is not romance (also if you can mix).

uebertop, Wiskas main problem is that she is Ukrainian and therefore she needs a visa to work in Prague/Budapest/Ibizza/Paris/LA. And nothing else!
Another of her past problems (she named herself on EBI) was her exclusiv Sineplex contract and the companies attitude to her and their other girls. We`ve discussed it and I guess we all hope this particular situation is better in St. Peterburg meanwhile.

Russia (including Ukrainian girls working there) is the new porn frontier. And instead of attacking insiders like alexxx bringing us news from there, we`d better be greatful for everybody travelling there from Budapest/Prague to sound this incredible talent pool instead of leaving it all to the less professinal locals.
The more if we have that excellent situation of lots of really willing girls just waiting for an enveloppe pushing porn job.


As for the rest of the discussion, I`d wish those fed up with porn to lobby for their fetishes instead of complaining all the time. For sure nothing gets produced that doesnt sell. And that`s it!

[ubahn]

Jay Sin bring the new era in porn with his new movies

[alexxx]

You confirm what I think.
If you only had to work to stay in the porn business, then why so many girls who are ready to perform very hard action do not stay in it ?
(as you admit it yourself)
Why such beautiful and fantastic performers (as Wiska ... and others ) cannot make more films and make good money with their work ?
Because this porn business is ruled by a mafia of ridiculous amateurs.

If you want to stay in the biz you have to work. This is valid for evryone: the girls who must be able to perform almost any kind of scene; the producers who must keep up the financing; the agents who must have always a newbie to present in the sets...
But nobody is forcing these ladies.
You could be surprised but here in St Petersburg where I am now it is not difficult to find 18-19 yo ladies ready for porn.
This surprise even me because few years ago it was not easy to find a newbie doing deepthroating and DP and fisting!
Now they are ok and for sure they will find job because the market is big and even a niche is important.
I understand your point if you feel too much driven by the market-money but porn is not romance (also if you can mix).

uebertop, Wiskas main problem is that she is Ukrainian and therefore she needs a visa to work in Prague/Budapest/Ibizza/Paris/LA. And nothing else!
Another of her past problems (she named herself on EBI) was her exclusiv Sineplex contract and the companies attitude to her and their other girls. We`ve discussed it and I guess we all hope this particular situation is better in St. Peterburg meanwhile.

Russia (including Ukrainian girls working there) is the new porn frontier. And instead of attacking insiders like alexxx bringing us news from there, we`d better be greatful for everybody travelling there from Budapest/Prague to sound this incredible talent pool instead of leaving it all to the less professinal locals.
The more if we have that excellent situation of lots of really willing girls just waiting for an enveloppe pushing porn job.


As for the rest of the discussion, I`d wish those fed up with porn to lobby for their fetishes instead of complaining all the time. For sure nothing gets produced that doesnt sell. And that`s it!

Thanks DAP! I am writing you a PM.

[ubertop]

Yes, but for sure the organization of the porn business (contracts, distribution) remains the major problem to keep good girls work in it.
I am grateful to Alexxx that he brings up news.
For me, porn is never boring when the girls are great. This is why such girls must be rewarded to keep them in the profession.

uebertop, Wiskas main problem is that she is Ukrainian and therefore she needs a visa to work in Prague/Budapest/Ibizza/Paris/LA. And nothing else!
Another of her past problems (she named herself on EBI) was her exclusiv Sineplex contract and the companies attitude to her and their other girls. We`ve discussed it and I guess we all hope this particular situation is better in St. Peterburg meanwhile.

Russia (including Ukrainian girls working there) is the new porn frontier. And instead of attacking insiders like alexxx bringing us news from there, we`d better be greatful for everybody travelling there from Budapest/Prague to sound this incredible talent pool instead of leaving it all to the less professinal locals.
The more if we have that excellent situation of lots of really willing girls just waiting for an enveloppe pushing porn job.


As for the rest of the discussion, I`d wish those fed up with porn to lobby for their fetishes instead of complaining all the time. For sure nothing gets produced that doesnt sell. And that`s it!

[sbando]

The essence of a forum is that everybody can express his views...

Yep, that's the big problem. Everything's an opinion.

I always mention the IMDB as the best/worst exemple of this. Harmless movies and tv shows lead to word wars about religion, history, slavery, Christians and Muslims, and I don't know what else. Every moron can give Citizen Kane half a star, who cares, it's an opinion.

The line between trolling and having an opinion is so thin that I don't think there's a line at all anymore.

As our old friend Drew always says, it's just yak-yak-yak, just a buzz or a background noise.

[pplolo]

I think you have to consider this as the reward of success.
If there is a lot of people saying all sorts of things it is because you created somethin people found useful and that grew bigger.
You also have to consider that if you have people in the business intervening on this forum it is because the audience is large enough so that they find interesting for them to intervene here.
Of course you cannot control everybody,but you have to consider that,on average,the truth will prevail.

You also have to consider that as the web is growing bigger and bigger,
and the technology cost decreasing,the new audience coming to the web
is somehow less informed (if you consider there is a link,though imperfect,between the level of education and the income ) ,in a sense,a "cheaper"audience,automatically increasing the rate of people possibly rating Citizen K zero .

Maybe you should tune your forum a little to adapt this new deal,but you still have to consider that on average the system is very worthy.

[sbando]

Well, here at Ebi we don't have much of a problem, it's a small community, most posters are quiet and nice. But look at the bigger picture... This part of Xenomorgue's post wasn't really that off-the-mark

A world of mediocrity, sillyness, frustration and resentment

But that doesn't apply here, of course, because it's just a fan-site, we more or less share the same tastes and views.

THE PROBLEM we have here is to make this place A FRIENDLY PLACE for the insiders that post here. Wait, let me put it in bold letters:

THE PROBLEM we have here is to make this place A FRIENDLY PLACE for the insiders that post here

and by insiders I also count Gape, Bunny (as a "producer"), us or anyone who has an actual link to the companies.

I CANNOT LET THE GENERIC INTERNET MOANIN' BITCH SPOIL IT ALL FOR THE REST OF US.

As you can see, I didn't even bother to post Caylan's hardcore in Hot Off The Press, I'm going to close that section down.
Part of this is due to the business side of this, of course. But in many cases, we (Tigris, Sineplex, Giorgio, Joaquim, etc.) share free stuff and free previews just to share them with you. As for PW, we don't get a penny, we're just his biggest fan.

Anyway, I won't allow any more abuse towards our vip posters, as we've recently seen with Joaquim, Gape and Tigris as the victims.

[dap-addict]

THE PROBLEM we have here is to make this place A FRIENDLY PLACE for the insiders that post here

I fully agree. And your post also makes me feel bad about my sometimes harsh words for gapelover in the past old EBI forum. And also my 21S/Tigris bitching conc. their release problems.

I think we porn fans to often dont realize how much work is behind an online/dvd scene. As a consumer you tend to forget this all and just judge the product. On the other hand many insiders even dont talk about this, dont sharpen our awareness.
I think we have at least 100 porn experts here who should be able to talk openly about customer expectations as well as business limitations.

(For instance I somehow feel there is a big dvd production crisis, but we fans just hear nothing about this here )

in many cases, we (Tigris, Sineplex, Giorgio, Joaquim, etc.) share free stuff and free previews just to share them with you.

Btw, besides the insiders, lots of fans do share a lot of legal pics, links here, thus helping the biz, too. And lots of knowlegde, too.