how do porn companies work ?

[gapelover]

..... even porn-world is not just black and white.

As most of you folks know I - at times - used to quite often see girls from the porn-biz. They all had different stories to tell. Some i.e. adored Rocco, while another girl told me that she once walked away from one of his sets because she was treated like a piece of shit instead of having a proper treatment. You can even watch this scene in one of the older Rocco flicks, I think it is Animal Trainer # 4 if I remember that right.

Two directors seem to be extremely nice to the girls, far as I heard. These would be Mr. Clarke and Mr. Woodman.

Have you seen the BTS footage of Rocco's Russian Teen Obsession ?
http://evilangel.com/page.php?node=item&item_id=1909
One beautiful new Russian girl who performed her first anal was treated so nice that she start crying and she won't finish that scene ! So she was forced to finish the scene because she signed the contract.
Watch it or should i tell more of what i have heard ?

[dap-addict]

Watch it or should i tell more of what i have heard ?

Better tell us what you heard, gapelover.
Maybe there is a lot of thruth in it, maybe somebody hides his interest. But better tell it than not anyway.

[gapelover]

Watch it or should i tell more of what i have heard ?

Better tell us what you heard, gapelover.
Maybe there is a lot of thruth in it, maybe somebody hides his interest. But better tell it than not anyway.

No, better not to tell everything i have heard.

[Ricardo Soli]

..... even porn-world is not just black and white.

As most of you folks know I - at times - used to quite often see girls from the porn-biz. They all had different stories to tell. Some i.e. adored Rocco, while another girl told me that she once walked away from one of his sets because she was treated like a piece of shit instead of having a proper treatment. You can even watch this scene in one of the older Rocco flicks, I think it is Animal Trainer # 4 if I remember that right.

Two directors seem to be extremely nice to the girls, far as I heard. These would be Mr. Clarke and Mr. Woodman.

Have you seen the BTS footage of Rocco's Russian Teen Obsession ?
http://evilangel.com/page.php?node=item&item_id=1909
One beautiful new Russian girl who performed her first anal was treated so nice that she start crying and she won't finish that scene ! So she was forced to finish the scene because she signed the contract.
Watch it or should i tell more of what i have heard ?

Maybee her agent talled her she will perform nude art photoshooting.
My girls never had this kind of problems at Rocco. But i've never sended inable models for his works.
About Sineplex, they tried every year twice to get my models, but somehow every time after 2 weeks dealing, changing mails, when it's coming the time to be paid some booking fees, they cancel everything for different reasons. For example they've booked Yasmine Gold from me around may this year throught Alberto Rey, promising around 12 scenes to her in 2 weeks continous shooting, and we were waiting 2 weeks for to get 2000Euro booking fee, after that we cancelled everything. We would do business with a bit more serious peoples...

[ubertop]

I am amazed by the low level of the girls income.
If a girl works for 2 weeks to shoot 12 scenes, being booked 2000 euros earned by her agency, then I wonder how much she gets for such a job. Compared to a chinese worker, she may be cheaper.
Or do I understand wrong ?


[ For example they've booked Yasmine Gold from me around may this year throught Alberto Rey, promising around 12 scenes to her in 2 weeks continous shooting, and we were waiting 2 weeks for to get 2000Euro booking fee, after that we cancelled everything. We would do business with a bit more serious peoples...[/quote]

[gepont]

I am amazed by the low level of the girls income.
If a girl works for 2 weeks to shoot 12 scenes, being booked 2000 euros earned by her agency, then I wonder how much she gets for such a job. Compared to a chinese worker, she may be cheaper.
Or do I understand wrong ?


[ For example they've booked Yasmine Gold from me around may this year throught Alberto Rey, promising around 12 scenes to her in 2 weeks continous shooting, and we were waiting 2 weeks for to get 2000Euro booking fee, after that we cancelled everything. We would do business with a bit more serious peoples...

[gapelover]

I am amazed by the low level of the girls income.
If a girl works for 2 weeks to shoot 12 scenes, being booked 2000 euros earned by her agency, then I wonder how much she gets for such a job. Compared to a chinese worker, she may be cheaper.
Or do I understand wrong ?

I am sure 2000 is only Ricardo's agency fee, because he will miss the girl for two weeks !

[Ricardo Soli]

I am amazed by the low level of the girls income.
If a girl works for 2 weeks to shoot 12 scenes, being booked 2000 euros earned by her agency, then I wonder how much she gets for such a job. Compared to a chinese worker, she may be cheaper.
Or do I understand wrong ?

I am sure 2000 is only Ricardo's agency fee, because he will miss the girl for two weeks !

Could be...
But doesn't mastter how much is mine, how much is the model fee. We're talking about reliability, and seriosity in business.
If a company wich wich want to be on the first line, is talking about 12 scenes, is offering an amount of money for this, the minimum is to can have the possibility to advice 10-20% of the money they would spend for a project like this. But usually it's only bla,bla

[gapelover]

I am amazed by the low level of the girls income.
If a girl works for 2 weeks to shoot 12 scenes, being booked 2000 euros earned by her agency, then I wonder how much she gets for such a job. Compared to a chinese worker, she may be cheaper.
Or do I understand wrong ?

I am sure 2000 is only Ricardo's agency fee, because he will miss the girl for two weeks !

Could be...
But doesn't mastter how much is mine, how much is the model fee. We're talking about reliability, and seriosity in business.
If a company wich wich want to be on the first line, is talking about 12 scenes, is offering an amount of money for this, the minimum is to can have the possibility to advice 10-20% of the money they would spend for a project like this. But usually it's only bla,bla

You are right about the reliability, i have heard about the booking of Yasmine Gold and some other Hungarian models from your agency for a shooting in Prague and it never happened.
The producer is allowed to sent a request to the agency but if they won't or can't pay the agency fees they should never promise to book the girl for 2 weeks ! Maybe the main reason for cancellation is that they have to pay less in Russia to the agents, pimps and models and in Russia are always many new girls available who wants to make quick money with porn shooting.
We all know that there are different prices for porn shootings in Russia, Hungary, Czech and US and also different costs for living !
It's a business and everyone needs to get payed, but would you pay for a car 30000€ when you can get the same for 25000€ elsewhere for example ?

Maybe this is one of the main reasons why Wiska is pissed now, because she realized she could make more money elsewhere, but first time she agreed to work for the Russian fees and Javier treat her nice, also she should become her own website. Now Javier is pissed and i think Sineplex will never work with Wiska again. Remember my words, there are so many girls who will start a porn career in Russia and they will find many other Russian front runners.

[Ricardo Soli]

I am amazed by the low level of the girls income.
If a girl works for 2 weeks to shoot 12 scenes, being booked 2000 euros earned by her agency, then I wonder how much she gets for such a job. Compared to a chinese worker, she may be cheaper.
Or do I understand wrong ?

I am sure 2000 is only Ricardo's agency fee, because he will miss the girl for two weeks !

Could be...
But doesn't mastter how much is mine, how much is the model fee. We're talking about reliability, and seriosity in business.
If a company wich wich want to be on the first line, is talking about 12 scenes, is offering an amount of money for this, the minimum is to can have the possibility to advice 10-20% of the money they would spend for a project like this. But usually it's only bla,bla

You are right about the reliability, i have heard about the booking of Yasmine Gold and some other Hungarian models from your agency for a shooting in Prague and it never happened.
The producer is allowed to sent a request to the agency but if they won't or can't pay the agency fees they should never promise to book the girl for 2 weeks ! Maybe the main reason for cancellation is that they have to pay less in Russia to the agents, pimps and models and in Russia are always many new girls available who wants to make quick money with porn shooting.
We all know that there are different prices for porn shootings in Russia, Hungary, Czech and US and also different costs for living !
It's a business and everyone needs to get payed, but would you pay for a car 30000€ when you can get the same for 25000€ elsewhere for example ?

Maybe this is one of the main reasons why Wiska is pissed now, because she realized she could make more money elsewhere, but first time she agreed to work for the Russian fees and Javier treat her nice, also she should become her own website. Now Javier is pissed and i think Sineplex will never work with Wiska again. Remember my words, there are so many girls who will start a porn career in Russia and they will find many other Russian front runners.

You're right on what you're talling me, but be concentrated on about what we were start our discussion...
I'm shure it's not the same to buy for 25.000Eu. an 30 years old Moskvich instead of a 25 y.old Mercedes for only 30.000Eu.

[gapelover]

I am amazed by the low level of the girls income.
If a girl works for 2 weeks to shoot 12 scenes, being booked 2000 euros earned by her agency, then I wonder how much she gets for such a job. Compared to a chinese worker, she may be cheaper.
Or do I understand wrong ?

I am sure 2000 is only Ricardo's agency fee, because he will miss the girl for two weeks !

Could be...
But doesn't mastter how much is mine, how much is the model fee. We're talking about reliability, and seriosity in business.
If a company wich wich want to be on the first line, is talking about 12 scenes, is offering an amount of money for this, the minimum is to can have the possibility to advice 10-20% of the money they would spend for a project like this. But usually it's only bla,bla

You are right about the reliability, i have heard about the booking of Yasmine Gold and some other Hungarian models from your agency for a shooting in Prague and it never happened.
The producer is allowed to sent a request to the agency but if they won't or can't pay the agency fees they should never promise to book the girl for 2 weeks ! Maybe the main reason for cancellation is that they have to pay less in Russia to the agents, pimps and models and in Russia are always many new girls available who wants to make quick money with porn shooting.
We all know that there are different prices for porn shootings in Russia, Hungary, Czech and US and also different costs for living !
It's a business and everyone needs to get payed, but would you pay for a car 30000€ when you can get the same for 25000€ elsewhere for example ?

Maybe this is one of the main reasons why Wiska is pissed now, because she realized she could make more money elsewhere, but first time she agreed to work for the Russian fees and Javier treat her nice, also she should become her own website. Now Javier is pissed and i think Sineplex will never work with Wiska again. Remember my words, there are so many girls who will start a porn career in Russia and they will find many other Russian front runners.

You're right on what you're talling me, but be concentrated on about what we were start our discussion...
I'm shure it's not the same to buy for 25.000Eu. an 30 years old Moskvich instead of a 25 y.old Mercedes for only 30.000Eu.

Yes it was just an example, i only want to make clear about different fees and living cost in all countries.
Here are some facts : A newcomer in Russia agreed to do anal for ca. 250€ for example (later 400€), than she fulfills the contract and is happy, because in Russia 250€ is a lot of money if you have to earn the same amount in regular live.
http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/87/347/15919_salary.html
If possible for money reasons EVERY producer would like to shoot in Russia, but if you won't go to jail you need some good connections, because porn shooting is still forbidden there !
Back to the girls, after finishing the first scenes she becomes well known in the industries and she went to Hungary and Czech for a porn shooting. Now the same girl will notice in Hungary i will get ca. 700€ for anal (average monthly income for regular work), because this is the standard here and maybe she becomes pissed like Wiska and will blame the Russian studio for less payment. But don't forget the girls have also to pay to get a Visa to work in Hungary and Czech, not so easy in Russia and expensive to get one.
Finally some girls will manage to go United States if they can get a green card. And now they are getting payed ca. 1200€ for anal because it's the standard in US. Of course because living costs are much higher there.
So do you really think the same girl should start to blame the agencies and producers in Russia, Hungary and Czech now ?
If you don't want to work for the conditions in any country don't sign the contract, thats it !

[dap-addict]

I am glad gapelover wrote about the price question.
It is exactly what I wanted to do.
I agree and I am shocked with most that Wiska reported, but I dont agree with most of her fee/price complaints. As gapelover points out right the going rates for 1 anal, or meybe more accurat dp scene, in all those major shootin gplaces equal an average monthly income in that place. More or less that is.
Thus: Of course Wiska gets payed less in St. Peterburg than in Budapest.
And of course a rookie works for less money than an experienced girl in Russia as well as in Hungary.

At the same time Wiska did not only talk about money!
She wrote a lot about unhuman production conditions, dirty sheets, unfprofessional and rude behaviour of some Russian male talent etc.
This is not dependant on the fee!
And it certainly should not happen with a professional studio!

(Shall I copy paste what Wiska wrote? - and she also didnt say all she knows and has experienced herself, not only heard about...)

I dont see any reason to justify this!
Washing services and dry cleaning of bed sheets in St. Peterburg is also cheaper than in Budapest, gapelover.

If you don't want to work for the conditions in any country don't sign the contract, thats it !

Did Wiska sign a still running contract with Sineplex?

[gapelover]

I am glad gapelover wrote about the price question.
It is exactly what I wanted to do.
I agree and I am shocked with most that Wiska reported, but I dont agree with most of her fee/price complaints. As gapelover points out right the going rates for 1 anal, or meybe more accurat dp scene, in all those major shootin gplaces equal an average monthly income in that place. More or less that is.
Thus: Of course Wiska gets payed less in St. Peterburg than in Budapest.
And of course a rookie works for less money than an experienced girl in Russia as well as in Hungary.

At the same time Wiska did not only talk about money!
She wrote a lot about unhuman production conditions, dirty sheets, unfprofessional and rude behaviour of some Russian male talent etc.
This is not dependant on the fee!
And it certainly should not happen with a professional studio!

(Shall I copy paste what Wiska wrote? - and she also didnt say all she knows and has experienced herself, not only heard about...)

I dont see any reason to justify this!
Washing services and dry cleaning of bed sheets in St. Peterburg is also cheaper than in Budapest, gapelover.

If you don't want to work for the conditions in any country don't sign the contract, thats it !

Did Wiska sign a still running contract with Sineplex?

You don't need to copy paste i read what Wiska wrote and i don't believe everything she said.
Fact is that not everything in Russia is cheap. Javier told me the studio has to pay for staff, programmers, food and drinks for everyone, they have to get apartments, paying for the Internet for them to use, Viagra - enemas etc. , pay for taxis and plane tickets, pay for the girls tests and med, buy them clothes cause they don't bring outfits like in Buda and Czech. And Sineplex pays them more than anyone else in this country !
Not everything can be bad with Sineplex or why do you think most Russian models will work for them again.
No, Wiska don't sign a contract and i am sure she's history for Sineplex.

[dap-addict]

And Sineplex pays them more than anyone else in this country !
Not everything can be bad with Sineplex or why do you think most Russian models will work for them again.

Poor Sineplex! They have so much spendings, they pay so good, they are so good and than they even get attacked...

You know why the girls return to work with them? - Because there is hardly any alternative! And why isnt there any alternative? Because of those "connections" you mentioned before. We already talked about them once. And I dont want to air more in public about it here at the moment. But I´d like you to think about who you really defend here all the time!


Btw, if Wiska has no contract she may want to leave so why should she tell us lies?

[chris]