Wiska

[sharkhunter]

She could have chosen other jobs, but probably those other jobs didn't pay that much as a model job.
I just want to stretch, that if she says that she did the work to have an income, it's not the same at all as saying that she was "forced" to do it.
When she says that she didn't like some of the scenes, it doesn't mean she liked some others.
It's like with most jobs, sometimes you have to do things that you rather won't do, but you still do it for the money.

True Bruno, but no matter where we stand here we are all agreed that nude modelling jobs would pay far better than waitressing.

However, the "I needed the money to feed by kids" argument is pretty lame when one considers that vanilla nude modelling and a little girl/girl - activities that would NOT have been interpreted as prostitution in the Ukraine - would have more than covered the bills. In fact, for a model of her looks it would have left her with plenty of spare change too.

From watching her videos (and believe me, as a fan I have probably see them all) she was clearly enjoying the hardcore sex and the various gangbangs she was involved in. The girl clearly loves cock. She didn't need to do this to "feed her kids". She did it because she enjoyed it.

The problem is that to bolster her case she has to peddle this line of defence, and as a result is giving the impression that she "had to" engage in hard core porn. It is not directly saying "I was forced", but the implication is clearly there.

[hopless3]

I am amused by all your arguments and perspectives like "she speaks English well" or " she may not have enjoyed it but it was work"

Get over it, she made choices that earned money and she marketed her work well. She is at a different stage now and she is "retired" for all practical purposes even if she gets her stay in the Czech Republic.

Difficult in going back, so let me not ready any more "moral" or "convenient" excuses for Wiska.

HEAR HEAR I agree lets stop all this speculation about her motives/reasons

[dap-addict]

She could have done other jobs to feed her kids.
She knows english well, she is beautiful, she had relatives to look after her kids, she lived in a touristy area of Ukraine.
Look, you see it in her films, she clearly liked that kind of work (not on every set of course), it was easy and fast money for her.
Bruno, sometimes I wonder wheter you have ever watched a porn scene with Wiska!

She could have chosen other jobs, but probably those other jobs didn't pay that much as a model job.
I just want to stretch, that if she says that she did the work to have an income, it's not the same at all as saying that she was "forced" to do it.
When she says that she didn't like some of the scenes, it doesn't mean she liked some others.
It's like with most jobs, sometimes you have to do things that you rather won't do, but you still do it for the money.

If you really believe all the models always have pleasure during their scenes, that would be a bit naive.
But they don't show that on camera of course, they always need to smile and if they don't like it, they at least have to pretend as if they do.

Did you read what I wrote?
And again: Did you ever watch at last some of her porn scenes?

Even here n EBI you can find her complaining about a porn work session in Piter when she arrived with a flu at Sineplex studio I think. I am not naive. BUT she repeated many times in public that all in all she likes her job AND you actually see it in her films. Not all of them of course. Again, I am not naive, remember.

Forced or not. She had job options, She took that porn job. But since she needs asylum in Czech she claims it was bad and she had no other option. Why bite the hand that fed her?! Why not tell this and that is/was my job and for this job I am now percecuted in my country?! Would be more straight and more honest!




Btw...
I am not naive, but yes, I am really fed off former porn actresses joining the anti-porn crusade!
...and I just hope they grant her her human rights in Czech, give her an allowance and she will start to like her porn past and still existing talents again.

[pornlover_holland]

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[Bruno]

I am really fed off former porn actresses joining the anti-porn crusade!

She just expressed her opinion and said that she didn't like SOME of the scenes she did, that's all, OK?
Saying that she is on an "anti-porn-crusade" is a very extreme point of view, just black or white, when her position was probably somewhere in the middle, judging from what she said about the subject.

[dap-addict]

Judging from what she said about the subject before she was forced to leave Ukraine to protect her kids and herself its quite a big change, though.
Anyway, I get the impression you put a thick filter on reading those posts by me and sharkhunter as well and just pick up bits suiting you, leaving out all other arguments given!
Besides I still doubt more and more you ever have watched an important part of Wiskas porn works.

[Bruno]

I get the impression you put a thick filter on reading those posts by me and sharkhunter as well and just pick up bits suiting you, leaving out all other arguments given!

I've read all the different arguments from you, from Wiska, and from the others, and this is my conclusion.
Your opinion that she is "fighting" against the porn industry (because that's what a crusade is about) is not being supported by Wiska's words, and also not by her actions.
So the image you want to create about her being an "anti-porn-warrior" is completely ridiculous and not based on the facts.
On the contrary, she is still modelling sometimes in Czech, be it more solo shootings instead of hardcore. She would never do that if she really was a strong opponent of this work.

[Wiskus]

Sure. There is no ideology in Wiska's attitude. She is a lively true woman, loving life and her family.
I wish her peaceful, free and safe place to live.

[dap-addict]

The problem is that to bolster her case she has to peddle this line of defence, and as a result is giving the impression that she "had to" engage in hard core porn. It is not directly saying "I was forced", but the implication is clearly there.

Wiska didnt have to chose that line initially, sharkhunter! Remember that she asked asylum in the Czech Republic, not Orban Hungary!
But she chose to do so, probabely advised by her attorney and that group of Ukrainian women activists. Now she has to stick to it of course.

Whatever Bruno says she thus left her outspoken pro-porn path and de facto joined the anti-porn crusade. Her case can now easily be used by them for their anti-porn propaganda, too. Another remorseful fallen woman bla bla etc. For a sex loveing and open minded woman as Wiska that just a shame really!

Anyway, I stressed it many times here, that I understand she acted under extreme stress, she just wanted the best for her kids and I really wish her all the best to obtain that asylum as soon as possible! Its just a pity she didnt go the affirmative look-I-did-that-job-and-now-my country-threatens-me-because-of-that way.

[sharkhunter]

Wiska didnt have to chose that line initially, sharkhunter! Remember that she asked asylum in the Czech Republic, not Orban Hungary!
But she chose to do so, probabely advised by her attorney and that group of Ukrainian women activists. Now she has to stick to it of course.

I agree absolutely dap-addict. But choose that line she did...

Whatever Bruno says she thus left her outspoken pro-porn path and de facto joined the anti-porn crusade. Her case can now easily be used by them for their anti-porn propaganda, too. Another remorseful fallen woman bla bla etc. For a sex loveing and open minded woman as Wiska that just a shame really!

Good call with the use of the term "de facto", which sums up the situation perfectly. She hasn't openly joined the anti-porn crusade, but her position and line of argument has aligned her with their propaganda. I think this is what Bruno isn't getting - on his part I just hope it is a matter of (mis)interpretation - highly likely as English may not be his first language.

Anyway, I stressed it many times here, that I understand she acted under extreme stress, she just wanted the best for her kids and I really wish her all the best to obtain that asylum as soon as possible! Its just a pity she didnt go the affirmative look-I-did-that-job-and-now-my country-threatens-me-because-of-that way.

Again, agreed. If she simply said "I fuck for a living, it's a perfectly legitimate job in many countries, and I am being persecuted for it" might have been a better line. But then she probably wouldn't have the loudmouthed feminists on her side.

[ubertop]

hello you, Wiska !
wishing you all best

[ubertop]

sensual

[sd]

she looks always good

[paatraCZ]

Czech Ministry of Interior authorized the former Ukrainian porn actress Anastazia Hagen-Hrysajova and her three children reside in the country.

[bug2007]

sensual

her holes are heaven's gates