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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby batard94 on Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:50 pm

The main problem is that torbe said that he doesnt see any difference between the camera angle/zoom with julia, kristy etc and nona lola milena
Whereas the difference is HUGE
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby JamesTT on Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:55 pm

robuk wrote:I'm so tired of people complaining and moaning all the time :wink: :)


I'm complaining about a legitimate technical error that can be fixed, not about some opinion about the attractiveness of models etc.

I don't understand how people cannot see the difference between the video quality of the trailers and the video quality of the final scenes!

Like I said - it's false advertising.
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby robuk on Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:07 pm

JamesTT wrote:
robuk wrote:I'm so tired of people complaining and moaning all the time :wink: :)


I'm complaining about a legitimate technical error that can be fixed, not about some opinion about the attractiveness of models etc.

I don't understand how people cannot see the difference between the video quality of the trailers and the video quality of the final scenes!

Like I said - it's false advertising.

Take the anorak off mate its getting boring,and i'm fed up reading about.. some opinion.. about bitrate and fps when this shoot with Kristy is the best there has been for a long time,apart from telling people how they should think and act all I hear from you is complaining,christ if you watch a lot of the shoots from the great Ukrainian vids on PB the quality sometimes leaves a bit to be desired..still classics though :lol:
Don't take me too seriously;)
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby JamesTT on Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:13 pm

robuk wrote:
JamesTT wrote:
robuk wrote:I'm so tired of people complaining and moaning all the time :wink: :)


I'm complaining about a legitimate technical error that can be fixed, not about some opinion about the attractiveness of models etc.

I don't understand how people cannot see the difference between the video quality of the trailers and the video quality of the final scenes!

Like I said - it's false advertising.

Take the anorak off mate its getting boring,and i'm fed up reading about.. some opinion.. about bitrate and fps when this shoot with Kristy is the best there has been for a long time,apart from telling people how they should think and act all I hear from you is complaining,christ if you watch a lot of the shoots from the great Ukrainian vids on PB the quality sometimes leaves a bit to be desired..still classics though :lol:

I genuinely don't give a damn whether it's getting boring for you or not - it doesn't bother me one bit. And I'll keep raising the issue until it's fixed.

I hope that clears things up.
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby robuk on Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:15 pm

It does James as that's how I feel about you telling me whether I can call a woman unattractive or not..so that's everything nicely cleared up between us :wink: :lol:
On a serious note though I don't see why you think the video quality is so poor,i've downloaded it at the best quality from the site and it looks amazing and on a par with anything I've seen on PB,if I want to stream it then I can set the rate high and again it looks great,maybe I have an untrained eye but I don't see why you have such a problem with it..i get problems with angles and closeness of camera but not the quality of the film.
Don't take me too seriously;)
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby Skreed on Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:23 pm

robuk wrote:It does James as that's how I feel about you telling me whether I can call a woman unattractive or not..so that's everything nicely cleared up between us :wink: :lol:
On a serious note though I don't see why you think the video quality is so poor,i've downloaded it at the best quality from the site and it looks amazing and on a par with anything I've seen on PB,if I want to stream it then I can set the rate high and again it looks great,maybe I have an untrained eye but I don't see why you have such a problem with it..i get problems with angles and closeness of camera but not the quality of the film.

Completely agree about the frame rate if they can make the trailer more fps they could do the same for the main video. It's only a matter of size it will make the video files larger but you could always just add high frame rate option or just a reg frame rate download. It's not asking all that much considering some are paying $100 a month to download the video files.
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby thebowl on Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:20 am

You know what I'm tired of? People bitching about technology they know fuck all about and don't understand.
You don't know what you are talking about regarding frame rate. There is no frame rate issue. Whatever it is you are seeing, for God's sake message me so I can go over it with you.

This is like Mr. Burns telling Mattingly to trim his sideburns.

If a scene is shot in a particular frame rate, they can't change that in post. Frames per second is exactly that. How many images recorded per second. Standard is between 24 and 30. If they were at 24, it would still look fine. This is what the majority of movies are shot at, and nobody is bitching about it.
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby xtripsnova on Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:25 am

Guys I think you are misleading yourselves and the readers.
Frame rate is one thing, and it depends on the cameras he is using. Usually in Europe that would be 50fps. Others coming from the US zone are 60fps.
But this has no incidence on the quality.
On the other hand the bit rate (data flow) has a huge incidence.
And posters, like PB maybe, sometimes toy with the bit rate in order to reduce the size of the files and decrease download sizes thus server loads etc....
And this is where the culprit is.
The higher the bit rate the crisper the picture and its fluidity.
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby thebowl on Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:10 am

Even your numbers are double what it actually is. It is actually 25 and 30.

The other thing that could be what you are seeing and referring to is interlaced scanning be progressive. With interlaced, which is 1080i rather than 1080p and mostly obsolete these days, you get two fields per frame. Look it up and you will see how this works. Old TV's would do this when showing the image before HD. The early HD cameras were like this as well.
You can still process videos like this if you set the wrong settings when creating your editing sequence or when you export it, but most likely you did not shoot it this way.
I have actually seen it in reverse to how JamesTt always butches about, with the trailer having this effect. I think it is a mistake in their post production procedures. However , I have downloaded the highest resolution or even the 720p versions and I do not see this in my downloaded files. I don't know what video player you are viewing your videos with and if for some reason you are seeing interlacing when you shouldn't.
I'm hoping also that you are a paying member, because your outrage is always a little delayed, and you ask us how the quality is when it comes out. Then a week later comes the outrage.

I've skipped a few things as it's the middle of the night and I'm just up for a drink of water, so if you want I can go into further details later on all the technical stuff.
Complicating things further is shutter speed,which is usually a similar number because typically in video the shutter speed is twice the frame rate. So for 30fps the shutter speed would be 60. If you want less motion blur you could increase the shutter speed, but the basic rule of thumb is to maintain the same ratio, so 120, 240 etc.
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby Skreed on Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:25 pm

The Trailer is at 50 fps not sure what the fps of the full video is I don't have diamond membership. Some people can and some people can't tell the difference when you double the frames I think it looks crisp and smooth. If you don't like the extra frames that's fine but at least let there be an option. why are people so against extra options?
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby robuk on Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:49 pm

Not sure if i'm alone here but the blood incident in Kristy's shoot has had a real negative effect on me,i have deleted her download as I can't watch it now without thinking about the blood on her lip..its turned my stomach and I wish Torbe had edited it out of the shoot somehow,i think I have done with bukkake for a while as I've also cancelled my membership as of a few days time,to be fair to Torbe I will always love the Ukranian shoots they will live forever as I have them nicely saved on media but my appetite for PB and even watching the likes of Kira and Alma has been smashed by that one shot of blood,seems daft but it has been on my mind all day..squeamish springs to mind.
Not sure what the future holds for PB,seems there is a lull in news at the moment but in truth the likes of Veronica Avluv appearing on PB doesn't fill me with glee and the thought of more blood spurting out has put me right off for now,so take care fellas. :)
Don't take me too seriously;)
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby charlie72 on Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:09 pm

Like I said, PB presentation sucks. Despite the fact they have all the necessary makings and excellent material the "end product" is either sloppy or just totally fucked up.

About the blood incident this may cause serious problems with censors because this footage violates billing's aup just like Sara's tears for example. Not to mention this is not very attractive for future bookings.

I'm afraid though Torbe might go down the "censorship" road and start heavy editing, cutting and filtering like other websites (legalporn, ddf etc) with zero color and plastic looking bodies. I don't want any of that. I'm sure PB manages to keep their amateur natural feeling and raw uncut footage.
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby krull on Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:48 pm

I liken the blood incident to those times in DP or anal when there's a bit of shit in the scene or something, it's pretty unpleasant, but it's not exactly unheard of. They could have easily just cut it before the blood part, but they didn't.. so they probably didn't see any big deal about it. Watching the footage, it looks like he was trying to drop the last bit of sperm out, noticed the blood, and panicked, trying to make sure it didn't go in Kristy's mouth, or the bowl. Thankfully Helena got rid of it quickly. That guy has been in multiple other shoots, so he's not new or anything. I hope he goes to the doctor about it anyway, and doesn't shoot again until it's resolved. Think of it this way though, 50+ shoots, with 50-100 guys in a scene, and there's been just 1 tiny drop of blood. That's pretty good going really...

Skreed wrote:it's zoomed in that's why it looks like that. The camera guy before did a better job showing close but not zooming in.


Mario zoomed in and out all the time! Yes he moved with the shot too, but he also made use of zoom. How do you think he was able to get this close to Kira without blocking Camera 1's shot?

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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby batard94 on Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:22 pm

Cam 2 with Mario used to be PERFECT
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Re: Premium Bukkake official thread

Postby JamesTT on Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:48 pm

thebowl wrote:Even your numbers are double what it actually is. It is actually 25 and 30.

The other thing that could be what you are seeing and referring to is interlaced scanning be progressive. With interlaced, which is 1080i rather than 1080p and mostly obsolete these days, you get two fields per frame. Look it up and you will see how this works. Old TV's would do this when showing the image before HD. The early HD cameras were like this as well.
You can still process videos like this if you set the wrong settings when creating your editing sequence or when you export it, but most likely you did not shoot it this way.
I have actually seen it in reverse to how JamesTt always butches about, with the trailer having this effect. I think it is a mistake in their post production procedures. However , I have downloaded the highest resolution or even the 720p versions and I do not see this in my downloaded files. I don't know what video player you are viewing your videos with and if for some reason you are seeing interlacing when you shouldn't.
I'm hoping also that you are a paying member, because your outrage is always a little delayed, and you ask us how the quality is when it comes out. Then a week later comes the outrage.

I've skipped a few things as it's the middle of the night and I'm just up for a drink of water, so if you want I can go into further details later on all the technical stuff.
Complicating things further is shutter speed,which is usually a similar number because typically in video the shutter speed is twice the frame rate. So for 30fps the shutter speed would be 60. If you want less motion blur you could increase the shutter speed, but the basic rule of thumb is to maintain the same ratio, so 120, 240 etc.

If you can't tell the difference between the trailers and the final videos, then I can't take anything you say seriously. Even if you try to come across as a technical expert.

And lay off the judgemental insults.

Ugh...what a clusterfuck this forum has turned into :roll:
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