Lolly Gartner

[david-perfectgonzo]

I don't know if you watched the teaser but she spat out his cum.

Now that is funny! I did not click on woodmans teaser. You're right she's dodging by spitting it out....yet again @0:10/0:11 lol.

You guys have no mercy at all. That's a reflex that happens with MANY girls, even when they promise their best that they want to swallow. And it seems in Pierres scene you see the male deepthroat her so whatever cum go into her mouth at that point she definitely swallowed.

You want to see real cum dodging? I will post a scene soon on Asstraffic where a (newish) girl spits out 2 massive loads. Yes we can be angry but what can you do? She apologized, almost cried after scene because she's so sorry so what do we do? Hate her? We deal with human beings guys.

You guys ought to give Lolly a pass and just stick to other girls you like better instead of taking a piss at her.

[Pierre Woodman]

So you're implying that she doesn't feel comfortable with David?

For sure not, I wish the porn industry had only serious and correct people like David. I never heard a girl complaining about him and on top we both respect each others.
I told this sentence in the general way, Lolly started the business with me, did her first anal, first DP, first sperm swallowing with me. So yes she has a more comfortable way to be with someone like me than a guy she just see for first time. She is a very shy and wild girl with a big heart. She a " baby bimbo " and on top she has one of the tighest ass in the business. So yes I like her very much ...
More material will come with her in future, all with anal !!!

This one is dedicated to Paroxismya and in 4K, just for your eyes ...


PW

[Goldstar]

Like I said, porn is fantasy. I don't need to tell you that.
In many peoples fantasy an ideal girl would not show her disliking of her boys little soldiers.
So if she continues to disrupt fantasies (living out fantasies is the reason people watch porn) by dodging sperm and often even laughing about it, then why would I not be allowed to judge that girl?

So you're implying that she doesn't feel comfortable with David?
Hmmm, I wonder if David can cumment on that.

Sure you can judge a girl. We can judge them so much that we talk about them like a piece of meat all the time. "I want double anal". "I want 15 guy gangbang with cum on her face". "I want her to swallow". If we take a step back we should realize these girls are all human beings.

All true and all but in the end we have to be realistic and realize that when a girl enters the world of "hardcore porn" that she will inherently be judged on how well she performs on cam with the expectations of the majority of people who watch "hardcore porn" in mind.. You can"t blame that people go beserk in terms of wishes when she has entered the world of "hardcore porn". People who watch "hardcore porn" have other expectations and might see girls as a fuckmeat (although I think that would be a gross exaggeration as I think that the majority just and simply want to see a girl behave very slutty or "nasty" like our friend Rocco Siffredi always says. People who watch hardcore porn just want to see a nice looking girl get "nasty"; this doesn't mean they don"t have respect for her.) Again, fans of "hardcore porn" have a total set of other interested in what they want to see compared to guys who are only into artsy fartsy porn (x-art etc) or softcore porn (vivthomas etc.) or solo/soft photo sites like met art/petter heggre, domai etc. They are putting the girl on a pedestal; fans of hardcore porn are putting the pussy on the pedestal. We as hardcore fans judge differently, hence we judge a girl like Lolly diffrently now that she is part of the "hardcore cummunity". It ain't no rocket science.

You shouldn't blame the girls for disrupting your fantasies (she has no interest in that), blame the producer because it's the producers job to think about your (the paying customers!) fantasies. As Pierre said, most girls are happy to work well with the producer as long as they're treated right, are told exactly what to do in a respectful way and paid properly.

Yes, thats why I quoted Woodman where he says that in the last 20 years he has ended 99% of all scenes in the mouth (or was it 99,99%? like it is said in his second quote? ) I can appreciate it as a producer always needs to keep his fanbase happy like you said. And people who enjoy "hardcore porn" are generally not happy if it is clear that a girl outsmarts the guy on cam (because it doesn't seem that this spontaneuous act outsmarting was done with the producers pre-approval). I just want to see her become a star in the "hardcore" xbiz, but if she gets a reputation for fucking up scenes like she did now a couple of times by now already, then the likelihood that she will not get booked a lot anymore will be the most likely scenario. People not only want to see a hardcore scene they want to see a hardcore ending too. A cum shot is called a "money shot" for a reason. The money shot can make or break a scene. Its the same with a long book or a long movie. It can be great and all but if the end is "open" or if the plot is revealed in 1/2 minutes (like is often the case in Hitchcocks movies, e.g. FRENZY) after watching for one and a half hour, it becomes just frustrating.

The scene Lolly shot for us was for our site Primecups where we don't do swallowing, we listened to our customers and mostly do boob cumshots or oral creampie drooling on the tits. Just a different niche (big boobs).

Yes, and that's okay if it is a "nice scene" like primecups.
You do what the "paying custumers" like to pay for and that is making a sperm show on the tits.
And it's perfectly fine if the model and the producer agreed with eachother how they like to see the scene but it becomes problematic if it looks like the girl in question deviates from the pre-agreements that were being made before actually shooting the scene. I mean, in your case, would you be happy with the end result and with the girl if you are ready to shoot the saved up big load of cum of like 1 week on Lolly breasts (like you agreed for this "niche scene") and then have her dodge it by standing up and the load ends very sad on the tiles/concrete? Remember how frustrated porn god Steve Holmes became when a girl did this with him? But unlike him most guys will not be able to unload in 1 minute again for another shot lol.


http://efukt.com/20921_Cum_Dodger_FAIL.html

I don't know if you watched the teaser but she spat out his cum.

Now that is funny! I did not click on woodmans teaser. You're right she's dodging by spitting it out....yet again @0:10/0:11 lol.

You guys have no mercy at all. That's a reflex that happens with MANY girls, even when they promise their best that they want to swallow. And it seems in Pierres scene you see the male deepthroat her so whatever cum go into her mouth at that point she definitely swallowed.

You want to see real cum dodging? I will post a scene soon on Asstraffic where a (newish) girl spits out 2 massive loads. Yes we can be angry but what can you do? She apologized, almost cried after scene because she's so sorry so what do we do? Hate her? We deal with human beings guys.

Could be true, but would you re-book her or recommend her to your peers if it would turn out that you were not the first producer with who she fucked up the scenes in this way? I don't think so and that's what we're trying to say her. Somebody needs to take Lolly on the lap and tell her how things work in the xbiz and that it's a serious job. For many guys sex is not comedy, its serious, nasty, horny. If we want to have a laugh (me not) we go see that stupid "parody porn". Thats why I laughed so hard when I saw sgr's comment: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=23026&start=75#p317851 I guess I speak for everybody that we just wish her a very long career in the hardcore world and educate her about the "mistakes" she now continues to make. We just want close-ups of her (or any other nice looking girl in "hardcore" porn) getting really nasty with the sperm milkshake!

This one is dedicated to Paroxismya and in 4K, just for your eyes ...


PW

Paroxismya are you gonna say or I lol
Better to stop posting teasers This is getting a bit silly and embarrassing.
@0.07 seconds she sneakily pushes the majority of the load out with her tongue.

Lolly is just a cum dodger, just admit it. EDUCATE HER, TAKE HER ON YOUR LAP, TELL HER ABOUT EXPECTATIONS OF YOUR FANS (99% wasn't it???) and basta. Everyone happy. I just hope to see the day that we all see" boy, it sure seems like Lolly likes the taste of sperm".

In your words: if a girl doesnt like sperm and still takes it in the mouth like a good girl then shes a true professional and a "good bitch".
But Lolly isn't one of them.

I guess you find Lolly a stupid bitch then for not liking sperm in the mouth and still taking it!!!!

When a girl don't like something she don't do it or she's just a bitch !!!
But at list if she don't like it and do it good she is a good bitch and it's OK !!!
But if she don't like it and do it bad, like this babe, she's just a stupid bitch and doesn't represent a quarter of second of interest for me ...
Better she stays at home !!!

http://www.woodmanforum.com/with-pierre ... tml#p95962

[david-perfectgonzo]

All true and all but in the end we have to be realistic and realize that when a girl enters the world of "hardcore porn" that she will inherently be judged on how well she performs on cam with the expectations of the majority of people who watch "hardcore porn" in mind.. You can"t blame that people go beserk in terms of wishes when she has entered the world of "hardcore porn".

Goldstar the question is simply: Do you want Lolly do BG scenes at all? Or would you rather have her only do solo? She is what she is, maybe she doesn't enjoy the work, maybe her mind is somewhere else. Sometimes girls can develop into something more professional as they start disinterested but become true professionals. But other girls don't. And we have to just accept it. You can moan and piss on the girls all day long it won't change anything. No amount of moaning and crying will make a 100% perfect fucktoy out of ever performer. It's statistically just impossible as we're dealing with real live human beings.

Think about it: Pierre with his special treatment, that only he and no other producer does -- taking extra long time for models, giving real orgasms to the girls, picking up from airport etc -- can reach the MAXIMUM what you can get out of the model. And still sometimes you guys complain and complain that girls "don't give us enough". See it from the other way. Be happy for every girl that is willing to try hardcore porn. Not every girl will be a perfect professional fuckslut even with the best training.

Could be true, but would you re-book her or recommend her to your peers if it would turn out that you were not the first producer with who she fucked up the scenes in this way? I don't think so and that's what we're trying to say her. Somebody needs to take Lolly on the lap and tell her how things work in the xbiz and that it's a serious job.

I always say this: I am not angry with a model if she tries. That's all we can ask for. If we can honestly see she tries her best, tries to make the best she can do then we should be happy. I get angry with models who try to bullshit around, or try to give us a 50% job. The model in question for my story (Nancy) was trying her best but she literally had a puke reflex. That's most likely not acted, she wanted to do it, she tried her best but she coudln't. It happens. Should I now take a piss on her for failing? No. She tried that all I ask for. Another example is Samia Duarte who perfectly swallowed two cumloads, then we sitched off the camera and she ran to the toilet and puked 5 minutes. I asked her whats up? "First time in life I swallowed sperm, its terrible!" But she tried, like a true professional so again: Should we complain?

Now relating this to Lolly and Pierre's anal scene. Looks like she did a nice anal and swallowed cum -- trust me she probably was a bit nervous and anxious about the scene. And it seems she usually doesn't like cum and probably doesn't have anal sex daily at home neither. But she did it! So should we be angry at her for trying it with Pierre and doing a really good job? I can't follow the logic.

I understand we're all hardcore porn fans and I get it that we want to see amazing, perfectly filthy and slutty scenes all the time. All I am asking is this: These are not robots, these are humans. If you learn to deal with humans you will realize you can't program them like robots.

[trinity]

OMG too much noise about nothing. ok it would be better that she swallows sperm, but bigger problem is that she does not do more anal scenes

[Pierre Woodman]

I follow you at 100%!!!
When I put the two teasers here, I was expecting a cool reaction like : " oh yes she takes it well in the mouth, maybe yes she put a bit out but finaly she swallowed a part !!! "
But no !!! always there is someone trying to find the bad side, the drop she put out is more important than what she got in her throat.
It's like the test of the glass with 50 % of water inside, some people like me will consider it's half full, many guys here will said, half empty !!! it just shows how people are in their lifes, happy or sad ...
Me I'm really happy of what I've got from Lolly Gartner ...

In future will come on my site:

XXXX with 3 guys and very hard sex destruction.
WSG with me ( you will see how she swallowed good my cum )
SMM with the amazing Kendra Star and ... me ( She is gorgeous in that one )

PW

[sgr_sgr]

August 6, 2014: http://putalocura.com/videos-porno-torb ... lolly.html (... in this scene, it looks, as if any moment Lolly is going to cry and escape out of the room in panic, somehow. She seems to be ashamed of what she is doing ...)

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[horndogger]

I follow you at 100%!!!
When I put the two teasers here, I was expecting a cool reaction like : " oh yes she takes it well in the mouth, maybe yes she put a bit out but finaly she swallowed a part !!! "
But no !!! always there is someone trying to find the bad side, the drop she put out is more important than what she got in her throat.
It's like the test of the glass with 50 % of water inside, some people like me will consider it's half full, many guys here will said, half empty !!! it just shows how people are in their lifes, happy or sad ...
Me I'm really happy of what I've got from Lolly Gartner ...

In future will come on my site:

XXXX with 3 guys and very hard sex destruction.
WSG with me ( you will see how she swallowed good my cum )
SMM with the amazing Kendra Star and ... me ( She is gorgeous in that one )

PW

Great, thanks for the screenshots, stories, anecdotes, now for the love of god will you please edit and upload the scenes so paying consumers can come to your site, login and/or enrol, pay wit their credit card, download and view. If she's exclusive anal on your site, well done, you convinced her to do anal, you paid for it, well done. Some posters on your forum will respond to shooting Lolly in anal by saying "awesome Pierre, Master, Teacher, Masters degree in Teaching" ... they represent 0.01% of the paying consumer base supporting your site. The rest of your fans out there, mostly the US market, don't have the time or inclination to register and post on your forum, they will however say thank you with their wallets by signing up to your site and paying for this exclusive content.

[sgr_sgr]

July 2, 2015: Lolly Gartner posing in high heels and trendy skinny jeans (Casting-Solo): http://ddfnetwork.com/preview/19996/cap ... ssion.html

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[tittyleist]

Great, thanks for the screenshots, stories, anecdotes, now for the love of god will you please edit and upload the scenes so paying consumers can come to your site, login and/or enrol, pay wit their credit card, download and view. If she's exclusive anal on your site, well done, you convinced her to do anal, you paid for it, well done. Some posters on your forum will respond to shooting Lolly in anal by saying "awesome Pierre, Master, Teacher, Masters degree in Teaching" ... they represent 0.01% of the paying consumer base supporting your site. The rest of your fans out there, mostly the US market, don't have the time or inclination to register and post on your forum, they will however say thank you with their wallets by signing up to your site and paying for this exclusive content.

In case you want to check it out, the scenes Pierre described earlier are up already (except the ones he said "in future")
http://www.woodmancastingx.com/girl/lolly-gartner_6447

The ones where he said in future ... lol ... well let's not talk about those yet. cos in the woodman timeline, that could be anywhere from 2 weeks to 2 years.

[Pierre Woodman]

You can tell from 2 hours to 20 years, it's the truth !!!
I have my way of thinking about scene schedule release but also as I explained many times, I have actually not far from 500 scenes in advance, and can't put it all at same time. It's impossible and in main time newer are always coming. So I have to do some choices and dispatch my content the way I can ...
But sometime yes it's me who doesn't want put all to fast it's true.

PW

[gapegourmand]

i watched first time puta locura.com

mammma mia!! first i thinked it's woodman with lolly or woodmans brother.
also phat and unattractiv.

also the video is like woodman style, made with handy and selfie stick.

[Pierre Woodman]

Yes and few millions people like it !!! Sorry ...


PW

[Goldstar]

August 6, 2014: http://putalocura.com/videos-porno-torb ... lolly.html (... in this scene, it looks, as if any moment Lolly is going to cry and escape out of the room in panic, somehow. She seems to be ashamed of what she is doing ...)

putalocura.com - Lolly Gartner - 2014.jpg

i watched first time puta locura.com

mammma mia!! first i thinked it's woodman with lolly or woodmans brother.
also phat and unattractiv.

I truly wonder what would happen if Lolly would got casted with a handsome and young boy like Alexa Tomas' boyfriend (Joel?) or with a guy like private's ramon nomar.
I wonder if a girl like Lolly would then eat sperm in a slutty way as if it was honey on a stick.

Allthough other wouldn't mind seeing here in a scene with big equipped guys chris strokes, chris diamons, nacho, rocco, manuel, LP guys like Christian Devil or anyone of these guys: http://monstercockz.com/biggest-cocks-in-porn/

My meaning, either one of them would be nice.
I mean, we already agreed upon that Lolly isn't really a "true professional" (or in Woodman's own words she's a "stupid bitch" for doing something on cam which she actually doesn't like AND showing that), but if you would take the "human aspect" of David into account, especially with a girl who isn't a "true professional" = one who doesn't show that she actually dislikes something, then this must also mean that casting her with a young and pretty boy COULD also mean that she will lick the "lolly" of the guy and plays cum games/eats the yogurt like there is no tomorrow.....In the end, I understand this "human aspect" in this context. Women and men are able to perform better in the sack if they are banging a handsome person. I mean, I could probably also cum 8 times with Aneta keys. although my current record is only 3 times in one hour (actually 2 times as the third time the gun only shooted air ). Never been able to squeeze more out of my little sausage.

PS tight jeans and high heels. I love it. I wish there were more scenes like this where the girls weares these kind of "party clothing" and then have the scene end with the guy undressing the girl and giving it to her where it matters.

[sgr_sgr]

I kept thinking about this whole Lolly-Smiling-Laughing-Problem, and got a solution: I guess, the stage directions aren´t as clear, as they have to. If director says "Ok, Lolly, now try to look nasty", it all depends on what Lolly is thinking about the word "nasty". Maybe she thinks, it´s nasty, to keep smiling and laughing about her partner? No, i would suggest, to tell her, to look "aggressive" instead, because, no one can mix smiling an being aggressive at the same time. Looking aggressive and looking nasty are very close together, so this is the key. I saw her that way at 21Sextury.com (solo), which proves, she is able to looks and behaves the right way ... anyway ... she´s great! Therefore this lively discussion about details and the little things.

April 16, 2015: http://21sextury.com/scene/200544/Super ... ?rsl=47812

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