Europa vs America - Some exchange of thoughts

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Postby nomad on Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:50 am

dap-addict wrote:I dont know what most american porn fans want, but talking indeed is one of the main actions an US girl (and girls working in the US) is supposed to deliver. :shock: :?


For me this is one of two main reasons why I prefer European porn. All this fake 'fuck me hard babe' moaning and groaning is ridiculous and a big turn-off for me. For example Sasha Grey is a phantastic model, but the vocals often ruin the scenes.

The other reason are all the fake tits.

Some remarks about the watersports/Orgazmik debate. Orgazmik is an excellent shop; I get all porn which I buy on DVD there. However they do have to follow Swiss law, that's why watersports and hard bdsm are not available. I think the John Thompson titles they sell are censored versions (I just ordered one now to find out :wink: ).
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Postby chris on Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:21 pm

nomad wrote:For me this is one of two main reasons why I prefer European porn. All this fake 'fuck me hard babe' moaning and goaning is ridiculous and a big turn-off for me. For example Sasha Grey is a phantastic model, but the vocals often ruin the scenes.


Exactlly!
it's so unerotic.
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Postby Tommy Kaye on Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:49 pm

For someone who has worked extensively on both sides of the pond. You know where my heart is at. The differences run much deeper than who moans the fakest or best. The Eurobabes are more down to earth, warm and real, someone you would never suspect being a porn star in the grocery store line. Sweet girls for sure.

Many, many adult performers in the US are big partiers and drug users. They live a hard lifestyle and aren't warm and down to earth. Not all.... but to find a really sweet girl with her head screwed on straight is a rarity these days. I have worked with some real plastic robots. Before anybody jumps down my throat..... you know this is true... I have lived it first hand. If you say to the contrary you are in denial. Eurobabes rule!
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Postby El-ahrairah on Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:23 am

Amen, brother Tommy, amen. I really couldn't have said it any better myself.

The Eurobabes are more down to earth, warm and real, someone you would never suspect being a porn star in the grocery store line.


Exactly. When I see someone like Lucy Lee, Claudia Rossi, Victoria Rose, Angel Dark, Jennifer Stone, Suzy Sweet, and dozens of other performers past and present, it never fails to astonish me that such women are or were in porn. On average, the Eurobabes seem bright, personable, classy and pretty well put together in the mental department. The American pornstar persona by comparison is one that just drips dysfunction and nuttiness. Most of the American performers remind me of the girls in high school who were doing bong hits during lunch break, skipping school every other day, pulling D's in all their classes and pretty much nailing every other guy who came their way; that is, if they weren't too busy getting pierced and tatted up. To put it bluntly, most of the American gals would be right at home on the Jerry Springer show. I know that sounds pretty damned harsh, and God knows I certainly have plenty of flaws myself, but that's always been my impression of the American gals.

Now, for all I know, a number of the Euro ladies are similarly nutty, but it never comes across in their various porn appearances. Can you imagine women like Michelle Wild or Veronica Da Souza constantly putting up with all the slapping, fish-hooking, choking, spitting and the overall attitude of misogynistic disdain that dominates so much of American gonzo porn? No way. When you look at a lot the porn featuring the Eurobabes, it's more about showing classy ladies doing nasty things, whereas American porn is much more geared to showing the porn performer as a slutty, crazy "cumbucket" who loves to be treated like Farrah Fawcett in "The Burning Bed." Unfortunately, ADT has been taken over by the type of guys who get off on that nonsense, so a lot of the posts there go something like this:

"Hey [insert porn performer's name], you're my favorite slut and I can't wait to see your next project. I think you should keep pushing your limits, so I hope in your next movie you'll be gagged repeatedly, slapped, choked, spit on, pissed on, defecated on, thrown from a moving vehicle, taken out into the desert and abandoned, thrown into the lion pit at the zoo, electrocuted, pissed on some more, forced to watch every episode of "The Love Boat", and finally strapped to a rocket and shot towards the sun. Man, that would be hot. Like I said, you're my favorite porn slut! Go get 'em, Tiger!"
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Postby Tommy Kaye on Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:13 pm

El-ahrairah wrote:Amen, brother Tommy, amen. I really couldn't have said it any better myself.


You must have been reading my mind. Yout thoughts are so right on and well written I might add. I would love to shake your hand and give you an award for your commentary! Nice piece. I would love to see this posted over at ADT and the reactions it gets!
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Postby El-ahrairah on Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:57 pm

Tommy Kaye wrote: I would love to see this posted over at ADT and the reactions it gets!


Well, since a lot of the folks over there seem to dig the home-grown, crazy, "hard living," bad girl types, I would expect about 30 pages of frenzied indignation. I should add, however, that if a majority of Eurobabes were constantly putting across the same bad vibes, I wouldn't be too crazy about them either despite their stunning looks. Also, such things as the accents and limited English skills of the Euro ladies make it difficult to pick up on vocal cues like the little girl voice, hostility, or the bitchy, "valley girl" type tones that give away a majority of their American counterparts. I wish the American performers would be more elegant, healthy-minded, and friendly, but I expect many of them have seen and gone through quite a lot during their young lives. The off-putting personality aspects that I've discussed are pretty widespread across the social, economic and ethnic spectrum here in the States (to give just one example, sorority girls), so the American porn performers certainly aren't remarkable in this regard, and like I said, a number of the Eurobabes are probably similar personality-wise, just far less obvious about it.

To change subjects a bit, I would like to add my two cents to the discussion about the whole exaggerated moaning and yelling thing. I am continually astonished when certain porn viewers (on ADT especially) see this as being "enthusiastic" and "real", when to me it couldn't be more phony. The performers who engage in these ridiculous antics somehow believe that they make their underlying, artificial performance more genuine (and let's face it, all porn actions are primarily put-ons) if they are really, really...really loud about it. It's like thinking you can pass off a 3 dollar bill if you give someone a whole briefcase full of the things. "What? You won't take my money? Yeah, well maybe this will change your mind!" [opens big metal briefcase stuffed full of bills]

Being "real" should mean attempting to moan and groan and engaging your partner like one does in real life, not throwing out the tired, cliched "Fuck me, baby, oh yes, oh yes!" nonsense. Those theatrics are simply a caricature and counter-productive (unless you are a true believer and prone to wishful thinking). To use yet another analogy, it's like trying to make a school teacher think your a lousy student by answering 100 questions on a True/False test and getting only 5% correct. Definitely counterproductive.

That's all for know. Thank you for your patience. :wink:
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Postby hardware on Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:12 pm

I wouldn't go for indignation, but I will say that the stereotype overlooks quite a few performers who don't fit the bill. Kimi Lixx, India, Keri Sable, Jewel DeNyle, Kylie Ireland, Sasha Grey. etc.

As for the over-the-top vocalizations, please put the blame where it belongs - on the directors. The women wouldn't be doing it if the directors weren't asking for it.
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Postby Walter Burns on Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:43 am

Checking... hmmmm... yes, this is the EBI Forum. I thought for a minute I was reading XPT.
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Postby sbando on Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:01 pm

Exactly what I thought :).
But without the personal grudges, that were the only thing that kept xpt going. And here they're still talking about porngirls and not calling Steph (or myself, for that matter) names.

But this wasn't meant to be about ADT, which I love. So fuck this thread.
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