The problem with Asstraffic/Assholefever/...

[Trotters]

I'm glad to see someone has started this debate, for too long I felt I was in the minority because I didn't like these scenes.

As consumers we have the power to change the product and I agree that we should find some method of letting the producers know that we want to see Eurobabes treated with a bit of respect.

We buy porn for the (Euro)girls not the guys, so maybe their egos are getting in the way because they're not the centre of attention and don't like it?

Anyway, enough of this 'rape' porn and back to what we want, pretty Eurobabes having fun (or at least able to act like it) with lots of action focused on the girl(s) involved.

[camaban]

I didn't realized until now how Raul Christian named his company: CRUEL MEDIA
So you know from the company name, what to expect

[wretch]

I was going to bring up the Black Angelika scenes, but a few already beat me to it.

A pretty thing like Ms. Angelika shouldn't be treated so poorly. I also don't see the appeal of spitting into the mouth or anus, or slapping even.

(Off-topic: I wish more DP scenes would show more the action in the front rather than the penetration.)

[STEMCELL]

I´d like to hear from the babes themselves and what they´ve got to say about their experience with pefecgonzo.
Because quite a lot returning and doing more scenes for the Romanian slave master

Have you watched the latest scene with Hungarian babe Trinity in Romanian Angels from CC?
From there you would say Trinity got raped and abused.
The truth is:
Monsieur Clark is no misogynist and Trinity is known for loving such ultra rough sex scenes.
So, be careful with any judgement.

[steve cross]

I´d like to hear from the babes themselves and what they´ve got to say about their experience with pefecgonzo.
Because quite a lot returning and doing more scenes for the Romanian slave master

Have you watched the latest scene with Hungarian babe Trinity in Romanian Angels from CC?
From there you would say Trinity got raped and abused.
The truth is:
Monsieur Clark is no misogynist and Trinity is known for loving such ultra rough sex scenes.
So, be careful with any judgement.

My experience is, that the girls are more loving to do a "humilation" dp for Raul, than anything for 21sextury. At CruelMedia, they don't have to wait half day, to begin a single scene, everything is running fine, and the atmosphere is superb, (outside the scene and in the scene as well), the guys are nice with the girls (not in scene-it's their job), and 4 example, doing a dp there takes half of the time of a DPFanatics or AssholeFever scene.

About the girls... You would be surprised, how many girls love real hard sex, with gagging, face slapping...

[sumsbums]

I´d like to hear from the babes themselves and what they´ve got to say about their experience with pefecgonzo.
Because quite a lot returning and doing more scenes for the Romanian slave master

Have you watched the latest scene with Hungarian babe Trinity in Romanian Angels from CC?
From there you would say Trinity got raped and abused.
The truth is:
Monsieur Clark is no misogynist and Trinity is known for loving such ultra rough sex scenes.
So, be careful with any judgement.

No, you're getting it wrong, I think. I have no problem with hard sex, even heavy S/M (though it's not my cup of tea) - as long as all participants are into it. Trinity obviously is. She's well known for that style, just like Sandra Romain and many others. That's why even in CC's hardest scenes, there usually is a sense of passion and consent. CC's actors don't try to annoy the girls or make fun of them, they let the girls know that they're damn sexy, even when they're fucking them ridiculously hard and dominating them. THAT's hot. Or even if I don't think it's hot, it's perfectly ok.

I didn't start this topic to agitate against anybody's personal sexual preferences. There's fetishes I probably never even heard about, and it's fine, as long as nobody is being abused against their will.
But to see those 20 year old models, smiling and willing to take a nasty-hot assfucking, get humiliated and degraded until there's no more erotic atmosphere left, is deeply irritating.

[alexxx]

Interesting and neverending debate about how rough is hardcore.

Well, you can change the things as much as you can.
If you get enquiries about harder scenes it's because there's a demand for that.
Maybe is not your demand but I can say from my modest point of view that all around the world there's an increasing demand for rougher scenes.
For sure nobody wants to kill anybody but it seems that a lot of customers (do we want to say US customers? but are not just them) prefer to see more DP of any kinds accompanied with gags, chokes and heavy pounding of each hole of an actress.
It's not erotic, you are right, it's just porn and hardcore.
But this is a business and everybody knows what he buys or, on the other side, what he's producing and making.
Agents and actresses know that before the shooting and there's no rape on the set. Especially agents know who can do that and who cannot.
This is valid for most of the companies working seriously.
For sure there's somebody not acting in this way but this is not the rule.

I just say the bad things are not the scenes of Angelika Black with CruelMedia (it's hardcore and Angelika is perfect in her role also if we could love see her in softer scenes where she would be an "lovable angel") but some scenes you will not see because nobody would release them (like castings turned wrong or scenes which last for hours where the girl doesn't react anymore and are not stopped because somebody paid for).
But even in this case everybody who is involved knows before. The public see a selection of the best made and make its selection.

Now the public is buying/downloading a lot of scenes "rough style" and producers are just offering what people wants.
It will not last for decades but it's a trend since few years and, honestly, I don't expect it will end on 2008.

[hood1977]

i don't see problem.
it's all about matter of taste.

they have rating system for videos and number 1 is Bonny Bon's second asstraffic movie. haven't seen it yet, but think it should be good.

[xabia123]

anybody noticed the increased violence in mainstream cinema and indeed in the world - porn is just following the general trend, so anyone trying to turn it round has a big task.

[Nihilist]

I´d like to hear from the babes themselves and what they´ve got to say about their experience with pefecgonzo.
Because quite a lot returning and doing more scenes for the Romanian slave master

Have you watched the latest scene with Hungarian babe Trinity in Romanian Angels from CC?
From there you would say Trinity got raped and abused.
The truth is:
Monsieur Clark is no misogynist and Trinity is known for loving such ultra rough sex scenes.
So, be careful with any judgement.

That wont happen Stemcell. The girls will never speak out about something they do not like for fear of losing assignments. Only anonymously would such a comment be made from one of the models and then it would be disputed as "is it from a real model or not".

Saying that though, a model in this business would by now know the reputation and methods used by Perfect Gonzo and they can say "no" to doing shoots with them. There are not many models who do say "no" so that sums it up from a models point of view.

The interesting point about this topic is that many viewers do not like such rough and humiliating scenes and it is good that it has been raised. However, as I expected, no one has come forward to champion a poll so that also proves that although its not particularly liked by many, nothing will be done to change it.

[alexxx]

That wont happen Stemcell. The girls will never speak out about something they do not like for fear of losing assignments. Only anonymously would such a comment be made from one of the models and then it would be disputed as "is it from a real model or not".

Not completely sure about that. Wiska did for eg.
If few others don't do that it's because maybe they know what they are doing not?

Saying that though, a model in this business would by now know the reputation and methods used by Perfect Gonzo and they can say "no" to doing shoots with them. There are not many models who do say "no" so that sums it up from a models point of view.

Right! But do you think the girls don't speak each other when the job is done and they meet later?
They know us... if they have at least some connection.

The interesting point about this topic is that many viewers do not like such rough and humiliating scenes and it is good that it has been raised. However, as I expected, no one has come forward to champion a poll so that also proves that although its not particularly liked by many, nothing will be done to change it.

Ok, but also if somebody doesn't like (and then shouldn't support anymore those productions) I'm sure that a large majority of viewers (and not just male) like and appreciate and will buy more and more.
For this reason it's impossible to say stop those productions.
Finally the people decide what to see.

[LoveAvenue]

IN THE FUTURE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE BIG GAPES, LIKE ANGELINA CROW, SANDRA ROMAIN OR KELLY WELLS.

Interesting. I would never watch any of their scenes. I do not find such women attractive in the least.

[sumsbums]

The interesting point about this topic is that many viewers do not like such rough and humiliating scenes and it is good that it has been raised. However, as I expected, no one has come forward to champion a poll so that also proves that although its not particularly liked by many, nothing will be done to change it.

I saw that you asked us to start a poll. I didn't do it yet, because from the replies, I'm a bit unsure if I got my point across successfully.

Partially, this debate drifted off into questions of personal taste and preference, then there are the hardliners, arguing with demand&supply (which is, in my opinion, cynical - we're talking about human beings here).

All I was trying to say is this:
Asstraffic (and the other Perfect Gonzo / 21 Sextury sites) ruin what could be fantastic porn by using asshole male actors and directors. Their behaviour is off-putting, most scenes leave a bitter aftertaste.

[Nihilist]

Not completely sure about that. Wiska did for eg.
If few others don't do that it's because maybe they know what they are doing not?

If the models have a problem with a particular shooting assignment then they would go to their agent and let them deal with the issue. They most certainly would not go public as this could cost them future assignments. In the same way that the models know each other, so do directors and agents.

Right! But do you think the girls don't speak each other when the job is done and they meet later?
They know us... if they have at least some connection.

I am fully aware that the models do know each other. I have spent enough time in the company of many Hungarian models to be aware of this fact. They would still report any issues with their agent. It's a very cut-throat industry and they would rarely listen to their fellow models advise. In the same way that if I said don't listen to a particular song, most people would go and listen to it to see why not to listen to it.

Ok, but also if somebody doesn't like (and then shouldn't support anymore those productions) I'm sure that a large majority of viewers (and not just male) like and appreciate and will buy more and more.
For this reason it's impossible to say stop those productions.
Finally the people decide what to see.

Anyone can say "stop those productions". Whether it makes a difference or not is the important thing and without backing it will make very little. If everyone went around with the opinion that it pointless to say something then nothing would ever change and everything would be done as it always was.

I also don't think the people decide what to see if you mean from a point of what is created. I don't recall Kovi ever saying to me "Go and find out what the people want to see". A script writer creates a script, submits it to a production company. The owner of the company submits it to a distributor like Private, Private say yes or no and give financial backing if its a yes. The production company then directs the script and that is what you see if you choose too. I have never seen a company asking for third party scripts so that the viewers can decide what is made.

If you meant from the viewpoint though that we choose if we wish to watch it, then that is totally correct. And maybe if this thread proves that many people do not watch the material created by Perfect Gonzo then change will happen. I think the overall jist of this thread was that its too hard for many tastes and could it be toned down a bit (maybe in just some cases to broaden the view appeal). Many people do not like huge gapes or dominant male actors.

[pagangod_uk]

My experience is, that the girls are more loving to do a "humilation" dp for Raul, than anything for 21sextury. At CruelMedia, they don't have to wait half day, to begin a single scene, everything is running fine, and the atmosphere is superb, (outside the scene and in the scene as well), the guys are nice with the girls (not in scene-it's their job), and 4 example, doing a dp there takes half of the time of a DPFanatics or AssholeFever scene.

About the girls... You would be surprised, how many girls love real hard sex, with gagging, face slapping...

Hmmm, I'm not entirely sure I buy that, and with the greatest of respect, but it just sounds like a bit of porn industry PR 'spin', by way of damage-limitation.

I think the clue is in the title Mr. Christian has given his company, I mean 'CruelMedia', for goodness sake...!

Says it all really.

Peace,

PG.