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Postby dap-addict on Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:23 pm

Muad'Dib wrote:I don't know whether Raul Cristian is a misogynist in real life, but I know that some of the stuff is faked and a lot of the stuff is simply staged.
And while I consider the degrading treatment and demeaning attitude towards the girls rather disgusting, such as the stupid dialogues with even more stupid questions, I try to filter it out, "to skip over it"... and enjoy the beautiful girl

Thanks a lot for this long post with an isight view, Muad! :)
I think above you mention the basic point: It`s all about the girls!
And because of this whatever those stupid studs and Raul do to these cuties can easily be filtered out by most porn viewers.
And also as you say, a lot is actually just staged.

This said, knowing girls returning troubled from their first shooting for Raul, I would at least wish for a better preparation of his models by their agents or Raul. Would be fairer this way.
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Postby Vulture on Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:48 pm

Great thread. I haven't read it all but did manage the first 2 pages and then kinda skim read a bit from there.

I'm another who's really glad to hear that so many other porn fans feel this way. It's a massive turn off to me seeing a guy being either verbally or physically abusive to a girl in porn. For me I want to see my fantasies indulged and that isn't my fantasy. The dream ticket is a really nasty girl (or girls) allowing themselves to be sexually devoured by 1 or more excited, delighted fella. I want to know that it is the girl(s) who initiate the sex and then the guys take over and drive the sex act but with the girl(s) still retaining a level of power.

To me, this outline seems a really basic "fundamental" of porn and whilst I accept that people's tastes differ, I do find it mind-numbingly frustrating how hard it is to now find it. God bless people like Christoph Clark and the Private folks, who seem to me to be the only ones to deliver it as standard, although as 1 or 2 of you mention, even these stables have veered a little dangerously towards aggressive gonzo of late....thankfully not quite far enough to render them as bad as the worst US culprits.

Anyway, I wonder if the blame for this cannot at least in part be laid at the door of Rocco Siffredi? Whilst I've enjoyed a lot of his work over the years and he was something of a standard bearer for hard anal towards the end of the 90s, I do feel there's always been at least a whiff of misogyny about him (I'm sure he was the first I ever saw grab a girl's throat or cover their face with his hand) and I think it's him the US gonzo stables perhaps tried to emulate in the early 2000s when there was a clear emphasis on rougher porn? Just a thought.
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Postby just_me on Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:45 pm

Nihilist wrote:I thought it might also be worth mentioning that from my experience the majority of the US porn is far softer than the European style. There are notable exceptions but I believe they are done for the shock factor rather than to create a huge fan base (such as Max Hardcore).

I am an associate on a website that has a predominantly US member base. Each month the clips available for download are summed up with the top 10 clips receiving awards. 99% of the time these clips will be softcore or even simulated sex scenes (such as Penthouse or Playboy style movies).

To back up this I did a bit of research. I checked a well known torrent site (that I look at to ensure that none of my content ever appears on) and found that although all the perfectgonzo stuff does appear, its download amount are low. Given that this is theoretically free on these sites and has received low downloads, would suggest that its not actually that popular!


Thank you. American consumers get insulted on this board far more than deserved - and most of the times those making the comments are flat out wrong.

Most Americans stick to softcore / lesbian porn, or the more intimate stuff, like husband & wife sites (every American porn surfer knows of and likes Heather Brooke, Desirae Spencer, Wifey, as to a lesser extent Rio, Dawn, Dagny - and in my opinion, the *best* stuff was from motel69star, compared to stuff like that, *all* the European hardcore sites are boring). Certainly no fake tits. Americans LOVE the solo girls, Jana Jordan, Sandy Summers, NextDoorNikki, Pattycake, Sarah Peachez. Americans hated when Karen Dreams got a tit job. If a survey were done of the PerfectGonzo sites, GiveMePink would be the *overwhelming* favorite.

The subject of this thread is not a problem of what people want - it's a problem of what people are willing to pay for. If a second survey were done of how much $$ is spent by those who prefer lite porn, versus those who prefer rough porn...


Personally, I gave up just about all hardcore porn after seeing the video that went along with these photos:
http://www.rabbitsreviews.com/gals/facials/facialabuse/hailey/index.html
Absolutely horrible, no chance that scene was acted. I don't care how friendly they may have been before / after the scene - the scene is deplorable.



Hell, I even cringe when I browse the forums here and see all the disgusting avatars. The only reason I registered an account here was hoping the user control panel allowed disabling avatars. :wink: I'd imageblock the site, but then I'd also lose all the images in the main index pages.

Just look at the culture of this forum - a new dvd is released featuring a girl taking it in the ass from 5 different guys, and, say, a 6th is pissing on her face - there's a rally cry "I can't wait, gimme gimme gimme!" The other day someone announced a dvd of solo performances and made sure to add a big "Yawn!" in the thread title. It's probably a nice little group of people here, and don't get me wrong I do love all the effort put into organizing all the girls and their aliases and their sites - but there's a definite reason why the bottom of the forum says:
"Most users ever online was 120 on Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:50 am"

while the porn forum I frequent more often has 2,500 users online right now (and no, it's a strict no-piracy allowed forum).
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Postby claudia_rossi_fan_1 on Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:13 pm

Incredible Rhetorics man.

You should run for an election, I am sure you'd be great.
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Postby just_me on Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:42 pm

claudia_rossi_fan_1 wrote:Incredible Rhetorics man.

You should run for an election, I am sure you'd be great.

I'd never make it in politics - whomever I would run against would surely get a hold of the records of how much I spend on porn, then it would all be over... :wink:

It's just fucking irritating when this site acts like they know what Americans want, and especially when they turn around and blame lagging sales on torrents and rapidshare. :roll:

Ariel's Blog is the European site most similar to what we want on this side of the pond. We want the girls to have control over what they do, and show some of their true personalities in their work. FTV is the American site that is most similar to European sites - that site understands what we want.

Definitely do *not* want videos of girls being pounded, slapped, spit on, insulted by random men. There are always the exceptions, as there are, well, over 300 million Americans, a market exists for everything.
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Postby tami flu on Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:01 am

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Postby gepont on Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:39 am

Interesting thoughts, just_me, thanks for sharing!
I wouldn't say Americans like this, Europeans like that, etc. There are different tastes everywhere. Although, if you have a look on an LA Adult modeling agency site, just as a quick rough estimate, 80% of the girls have fake boobs, 2/3 has bleached blond hair, etc. While at a Prague or Budapest agency it's still less than 50% (but for how long? :()

The thing with anal sex and DP, etc. Personally I don't like them at all, as a viewer it doesn't give more arousal to see a girl fucked in the ass or DPd, instead of just vaginal sex. I have seen a lot of terrible boring scenes in both. IRL I don't really like to assfuck girls 1, because of the cleanness issues and 2, because most girls don't like it. It's a fact. Some of the new generation teen girls think it's part of sex because they've seen it in the porn films but, even if they let their guys fuck them in the ass, most of them hates it. I have a pretty big sample, believe me ;)
As for DP and especially DAP and DPP, I think they are totally gay. I don't want another cock rubbing my precious one :D. Don't get me wrong, I like foursomes, group sex, orgies but a DAP or DPP is just sick. Add a big amount of misogyny in most of these films, if it's not gay I don't know what is... :D

The only thing I don't agree is your estimate of GiveMePink vs. Other PG sites. Because they started Asstraffic, Allintenal and GMPink roughly the same time (much earlier than other PG sites) let's compare these 3. Here it is:
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/asstraffic.com+givemepink.com+allinternal.com/?metric=uv
Of course it's not totally accurate but, based on cases of other sites where I know more exact numbers from internal stats (own sites and friends, etc), I have to say they are fairly realistic. And once you're there, change the names to those "discontinued" PG sites and you will see even more dramatic drop in traffic in the last 12 months. OK, it's a global phenomenon, piracy, tube sites, etc but still...
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Postby hardware on Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:19 pm

gepont wrote:Interesting thoughts, just_me, thanks for sharing!
I wouldn't say Americans like this, Europeans like that, etc. There are different tastes everywhere. Although, if you have a look on an LA Adult modeling agency site, just as a quick rough estimate, 80% of the girls have fake boobs, 2/3 has bleached blond hair, etc. ...


If you look at other LA agencies most do not have such a preponderance of 'Barbie Doll' blondes. I think the fact that LA Adult does reflects what Derek, the owner, wants. Whether those women actually bring in more business or whether they get more business because of Derek's connections within the industry is open to question.
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Re: The problem with Asstraffic/Assholefever/...

Postby artista on Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:24 pm

I'd like to download scenes from asstraffic and from the other websites of the group...

Are they still up?

Where can I find it?

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Re: The problem with Asstraffic/Assholefever/...

Postby philippe xxx on Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:17 pm

artista wrote:I'd like to download scenes from asstraffic and from the other websites of the group...

Are they still up? Where can I find it?


Did you try asstraffic.com 8) ? The other sites of the group are those listed here: http://www.perfectgonzo.com/our_websites.php. They include allinternal.com, asstraffic.com, fistflush.com, givemepink.com, purepov.com,spermswap.com, tamedteens.com, etc... There's no more updates or very little, I think.

The price of 30$/month is quite high for each site of the group and the trial option is not so great because you can't download anything contrary to the 21Sextury network where the trial option gives you enough credit to download at least 1 scene, BUT when you cancel the trial period, they offer you full access to all the sites of the Network for 30$/month which I think is a fair price.
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Postby dvdamaniac on Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:38 am

Vulture wrote:Great thread. I haven't read it all but did manage the first 2 pages and then kinda skim read a bit from there.

I'm another who's really glad to hear that so many other porn fans feel this way. It's a massive turn off to me seeing a guy being either verbally or physically abusive to a girl in porn. For me I want to see my fantasies indulged and that isn't my fantasy. The dream ticket is a really nasty girl (or girls) allowing themselves to be sexually devoured by 1 or more excited, delighted fella. I want to know that it is the girl(s) who initiate the sex and then the guys take over and drive the sex act but with the girl(s) still retaining a level of power.

To me, this outline seems a really basic "fundamental" of porn and whilst I accept that people's tastes differ, I do find it mind-numbingly frustrating how hard it is to now find it. God bless people like Christoph Clark and the Private folks, who seem to me to be the only ones to deliver it as standard, although as 1 or 2 of you mention, even these stables have veered a little dangerously towards aggressive gonzo of late....thankfully not quite far enough to render them as bad as the worst US culprits.

Anyway, I wonder if the blame for this cannot at least in part be laid at the door of Rocco Siffredi? Whilst I've enjoyed a lot of his work over the years and he was something of a standard bearer for hard anal towards the end of the 90s, I do feel there's always been at least a whiff of misogyny about him (I'm sure he was the first I ever saw grab a girl's throat or cover their face with his hand) and I think it's him the US gonzo stables perhaps tried to emulate in the early 2000s when there was a clear emphasis on rougher porn? Just a thought.


Only prudes, a few fundamentalist Christians/ultraorthodox Jews, and the majority of Muslims object to rougher sex that pushes boundaries. Twenty years ago you and your ilk were objecting to anal sex. If it's consensual, wth is the problem? If you actually cared about the truth, you'd find most girls enjoy it. It's an experience in of itself; how many lucky girls in the world get to have all their holes stuffed simultaneously? It's a lifetime memory. Cecilia Vegas herself said she craves dp more than any food or drink. Go back to your mosque.
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Re: The problem with Asstraffic/Assholefever/...

Postby dap-addict on Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:07 am

I agree about the late Rocco, but in general porn is about phantasy.
Some phantazize about their porn lady cudding with another girls in bed, some want her to give just a slow and tender bj in POV to immagine it was themselves and some want to expand the sexual boundaries of these girls as you call it. Important is its consentual before they start to shoot on a set.
Rauls scenes are all clearly consentual. Thus I see no problem at all. For me maxxx put it best: if you dont like it, dont watch it. As simple as that! If you like it - and I do some of his scenes - enjoy it, have fun. And if you want a certain girl to perform a certain act for you, lobby for it here on ebi! :shock: But dont pretend your taste of porn wasthe only right taste of porn!
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Re: The problem with Asstraffic/Assholefever/...

Postby slapherfaceharder on Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:45 am

the only "problem" with asstraffic and 21sextury is that they don't push the boundaries enough :evil: . Raul only shot about 15 double anal scenes over five years, which isn't enough to last a week for us :::
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Re: The problem with Asstraffic/Assholefever/...

Postby analwithoutmercy on Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:19 am

If the girl isn't bleeding or in the hospital at the end of the scene, then it's NOT a rough scene.
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