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Postby dap-addict on Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:43 pm

alexxx wrote:And if the set is not professional (it is true, it exists...) something can be wrong.
But I never heard until now that AHF or DPF sets are unprofessional.

And what about Tamedteens.com/Tamed Teens sets?
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Postby dap-addict on Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:43 pm

alexxx wrote:And if the set is not professional (it is true, it exists...) something can be wrong.
But I never heard until now that AHF or DPF sets are unprofessional.

And what about Tamedteens.com/Tamed Teens sets?
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Postby Speelie on Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:47 am

I've had a look through this long thread, and I get the impression that sometimes "acts" gets confused with "attitude." I think most people who read this are familiar with the brash behavior often seen from young men. In the context of my life here in the USA, I refer to it as the "frat boy attitude." I see plenty of young men who think they own the world, and who want everyone to kiss their ass.

This can also be found in older men, but it is something that often mellows with maturity. Part of this brashness is to see women as a commodity, and a disposable one at that! Now, I DO realize that, realistically, porn girls ARE a commodity, and a disposable/replaceable one. However, there's no real need for these actresses to be treated as such on camera for everyone to see.

I personally get turned off when I see a scene with guys who behave as if they are in just another scene to get through, and get done with. It doesn't matter who the girl is, she is interchangeable, show off the gape, tell her she's a slut, and move on to the next scene.

I'd much rather see the guy(s) at least pretend that the girl(s) is special, and that working with her is a privalege. I'm thinking now, as an example, of Big Natural Tits 19. In the BTS, Lucy is interviewed while showering. She admits she'll be shooting her first onscreen anal later that day. She's asked who the male talent is. "Micky Blue!" she replies, with a hint of excitement. We all know that Mick works constantly, yet in the scene, he takes time to talk to Lucy, to lick and finger her, to warm her up for the anal, and to generally behave as though he's damn lucky to be having sex with this beautiful woman.

Mick then rams his cock into her every which way, in a manner sufficient to be described as "hardcore" by any definition. So this wasn't a "soft" scene, it had plenty of strong sex, yet the attitude was respectful, and I think this is what the original poster was indicating he wants to see. I know it is what I prefer to see, but I think there must also be a market for watching brash young men behave in an arrogant way. I'm trying not to be judgemental, except to cast judgement on what turns me on. Your mileage may vary...
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Postby gepont on Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:43 am

Speelie it's very interesting what you say. Actually I was about to open a thread about male performers because I also can see these tendencies what you say, especially if you see for example the few big production houses in Budapest (21Sextury, DDF & Raul's sites) employ the same 10-12 boys. Raul only produces more than 450 b/g scenes a year, that is nearly 10 scenes a week. About the same for 21S, etc... No wonder the guys are like that, especially if they've been instructed to act so (Tamedteens and co).
I know from experience that it's not an easy job and if you're a producer you don't want to waste time and money so you only work with reliable boys and they are very rare.
I have a few questions, and maybe we could open a new thread for this:
Guys, when you're watching porn (and I'm only talking about sex, not bollocks feature films with stupid dialogs) does the guy matter to you? I mean you rather watch the current trend of groomed, hairless muscle boys or you don't mind the types of JYLecastel, Everhard, etc., the not so perfect, average bodies. Also what about cock sizes? Are average sizes OK or you'd rather watch the 20+ studs? I'm not talking about fat ugly guys and soft cocks, just normal guys...
Or you don't mind to watch the same 10 guys day after day, on the first place?
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Postby dap-addict on Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:25 pm

gepont wrote:I have a few questions, and maybe we could open a new thread for this:

I think that`s another discussion actually. But an interesting one!
Better open a new tread.
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Tamed Teens 3

Postby gadgetlover on Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:09 am

I've read this entire thread and I have to say I really loved what little of Raul Christian's work I have seen. In fact ever since seeing Tamed Teens 3 I'm beginning to be a huge fan. The scene with Sandra, who I think is the most incredibly sexy women I've seen in a long time was intensely hot. I haven't been so impressed with a porno since seeing Rocco's earlier work. Sandra seemed to be so into the scene throughout the whole thing. I wish I could find out more about this eurobabe, i haven't been so in love with a porno star ever. (If anyone has any info send me an email!)

I see what some of the posters were saying that it can appear that the girls are being abused, but I felt the slapping was playful and not abusive. Also for some reason I find the spitting to be quite erotic. The one thing I do miss in these gonzo flicks is the kissing, it's very true that kissing now seems taboo in these films, which is really disappointing.

The throat fucking is also great, I think these films have their place. If you don't care for them there is a lot of other porno available for all tastes.
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Re: Tamed Teens 3

Postby dap-addict on Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:34 am

gadgetlover wrote:I see what some of the posters were saying that it can appear that the girls are being abused, but I felt the slapping was playful and not abusive.

After haveing watched Tamed Teens a secont time I basically agree on this. But to me slapping a girl before she gets actually fucked for minutes and minutes is not the kind of tease I like. Slapping in the heat of fuck action is another thing, but slapping her into the face just to introduce a girl?
Anyway, sure kissing wouldnt fit into the mood Raul creates. And I didnt miss it at all. If you want kissing with playful spitting and slapping (but not to start a scene!) then you better stay with Rocco.
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Postby gape on Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:25 pm

On the subject of male performers, I think we might be digging too deep. I expect most of them are fine, and some of the way they are I think its likely part of the 'act'. On the other hand contradictory to what I've just said I see it far too much when the guys are acting like complete dick head to the girls. Just taking it too far. I do enjoy a couple of slaps if its playful, but it often comes accross to me as degrading.

I don't want to use what was said perviously and say that it is 'hardcore' but it is in a way. However I come from the same understanding that I would to see real hardcore. But it must be good nice hardcore.

I think there may be a growing demand for harder and harder content. And the industry is responding. How they are responding could be open to debate.

I recently introducted a friend to the Glara G site, I'm not a member there myself as its not my type of thing. However my friends comments were that he liked the content but wasn't keen on the director constantly talking! I personally don't know what he was saying so I can't comment on attitudes.

I think its also relevant to point out that over the years Allinternal has changed. I used to really like the site, however recently I don't enjoy it because the content seems dry to me. Likely that I'll cancel sometime soon.

What I never understood @ tamed teens was the whole foot on back thing. I don't see how its sexy, and if it is part of the degrading 'act' or reality (I think it is trying to degrade the girls) it just looks stupid. Really does make the people that film it seem like idiots.
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Postby dap-addict on Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:12 pm

gape wrote:On the subject of male performers, I think we might be digging too deep. I expect most of them are fine, and some of the way they are I think its likely part of the 'act'.

To me it actually seems like a mixture of `act`and that slight overbooking gepont mentioned above. I mean of course if an actor fucks three girls per day on set, asking him to be rafined and sublimental with them is asking for too much. The more that only one thing counts: wood vs. no wood.
Me, I dont mind watching the same 10-12 actors as long as they keep wood and shoot it off fine. That´s basically all I am interested about, thus no matter how they look etc. Still, some funny character like JYL does no harm.
What I mind, however, are directors slapping and spitting like Raul, but not takeing part in the fucking.
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Postby claudia_rossi_fan_1 on Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:51 pm

I don't care what anyone says, Rocco fucks (used to ?, he seems to have gotten back in action) each girl like it is the first anfd last.

Those Raul Christian Robots are freaky ...
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Postby alexxx on Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:12 am

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alexxx wrote:And if the set is not professional (it is true, it exists...) something can be wrong.
But I never heard until now that AHF or DPF sets are unprofessional.

And what about Tamedteens.com/Tamed Teens sets?


On my knowledge the attitude is professional. The actors are the most experienced available and I think nobody could say the contrary.
Raul may be a nasty guy (and some acts can appear effectively offensive) but as usual I suggest to not mix reality and fiction.
On the other hand if the result seems hard it demonstrates that Raul is a talented "hard" director (also if overpruduction can push towards repetitive and tiring scenes).
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Postby dap-addict on Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:37 am

alexxx wrote:On my knowledge the attitude is professional.
(...)
(also if overpruduction can push towards repetitive and tiring scenes).

Thanks! After watching TT3 again I expected everything to be okay. I mean why should AHF be professional but TT not anyway. And as you say, the clue is to hold reality and fiction strictly apart.

As for overproduction and repetition I see your point. Raul really runs the risk to get boring with always the same non-sex acts (spitting, slapping, foot on girls back etc.). And I am afraid he doenst see that! :roll:

Would be interesting to get him to discuss with us here, actually!
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Postby perfect gape on Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:26 pm

most of us like sex a bit more rough, that's why we look porn, we like anal, we like gapes, facials, dp, gangbang, deepthroat, hard pounding, gonzo style, etc. etc.

but i realised that for me, raul christian and his crew, they don't make porn for my taste anymore. The only reason why i still watch them are the models, mostly the most beautiful eurobabes. maybe i just don't like it how they treat my favorite pornstars.

as i sad, i like porn, i like hardcore, but they really give you the feeling, that they really want to hurt the girls... and then thoose damn joking and laughing around all the time. :?
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Postby dap-addict on Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:32 pm

perfect gape wrote:The only reason why i still watch them are the models, mostly the most beautiful eurobabes.

That`s exactly one of the main problems for me, too: If you like it hard and the new crop it`s difficult to pass Rauls stuff - even though you may dislike a lot of his antiques.
I mean if I have to wait for months and months till 21S finally releases their long anounced Double Dynamite 5 dvd with Kyra Black what else can I do to get at least one of her dps?! And that´s just an example!
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Postby LoveAvenue on Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:55 pm

perfect gape wrote:most of us like sex a bit more rough, that's why we look porn, we like anal, we like gapes, facials, dp, gangbang, deepthroat, hard pounding, gonzo style, etc. etc.

but i realised that for me, raul christian and his crew, they don't make porn for my taste anymore. The only reason why i still watch them are the models, mostly the most beautiful eurobabes. maybe i just don't like it how they treat my favorite pornstars.

as i sad, i like porn, i like hardcore, but they really give you the feeling, that they really want to hurt the girls... and then thoose damn joking and laughing around all the time. :?


not to mention the fast, shaky, blurry way he films the stuff

i have Asstraffic 4 DVD on the way for rental, this may be the last one I see
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