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Throat grabbing - yes or no?

Postby Vulture on Sat May 01, 2010 5:15 pm

Just following on from a discussion point in the Evil Angel thread, what are your thoughts on this fairly recent trend? It seems to me that you can't buy a porn DVD these days (from whichever stable/director) that doesn't feature at least a small amount of male>female throat grabbing. Unfortunately for me it's a massive turn-off and pretty much the main reason why I only buy a very small number of DVDs these days compared to a few years ago. Even an otherwise red hot scene is ruined for me if a guy goes for a girl's throat. It just kills the fantasy of a guy really enjoying a woman's body in my eyes. It demeans the woman, suppresses her personality, makes her no more than what I would call a "fuck doll" and just has really horrible, insidious rape overtones. More than anything, I suppose it reminds me I'm watching porn, which is exactly what porn shouldn't do. And I just cannot for the life of me fathom why a guy who has the pleasure of fucking a beautiful woman would want to grab her throat.

I think we can essentially blame Rocco Siffredi for this - he seemed to pioneer it back in around 2000 or so as I see it - but other directors are hardly blameless for just copying it. I know people will say that some women enjoy it. I don't doubt that, but I reckon that for every one that does there'll be about 10 that hate it but feel they have to go along with it - an occupational hazard. I would think it's hard for porn starlets to speak out about this kind of thing without sounding "tame" or fussy and maybe giving themselves a "high maintenance" tag within the industry. The men rule the roost in porn at least as far as production and direction goes, I guess.

Also, I see this as fairly specialist. I can easily avoid fetish or incest (ugh) porn, for example, as they are clearly labelled as such, whereas throat grabbing porn isn't, it's just part and parcel of "normal" porn. This is the real problem I have - not that it exists, but that it is everywhere. I'm fed up with people always saying "Oh well there's so much porn these days that it caters to everyone's tastes". I'd love someone here to show me some current porn where there isn't any of this. I can show you my entire collection up to about 2005 if you like, after that I'm struggling. But currently I think you have to rule out pretty much anything American and anything with Rocco, Omar Galanti, Manuel Ferrara and Steve Holmes in it. That's maybe 95% of current porn! Even David Perry - previously one of the more mild-mannered male porn actors who always (commendably) let his dick do the talking has started to do it a bit (and fairly unconvincingly, it must be said). Why is he doing it? Does he feel he needs to follow the pack? Is it under instruction from certain directors?

I'd love to hear from any porn directors or actors/actresses as to their thoughts but just viewers also, genuinely what do you think about throat grabbing in porn? If it turns you on, I'm genuinely interested as to why. I'm not being judgemental here I hope (there's loads of stuff in porn I like and don't like that would differ from others and vice versa I'm sure), just voicing my frustration that as someone who doesn't like it I don't seem able to escape it.
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Re: Throat grabbing - yes or no?

Postby Lee on Sat May 01, 2010 5:35 pm

I agree, throat grabbing is one of the worst things in porn. To me it's aggression, not sexual.
Yes, a small percentage of women may like it, but it's not for me. I hate slapping too.

The David Perry point is a good one. He's always been one of the better actors. He didn't need to change his style. Maybe he was told to?
Take some of this aside, I still think he's better than some of the new talent.

I made a point in the other thread which has been referred to here. Because I like to see passion & enthusiam in the scenes, it doesn't mean it has to cross the line into what some would perceive as thuggery.
When I watch the likes of Rocco, I generally like a good percentage of a scene because I know it'll be hard, passionate anal sex. I must say however that I will not watch any part where the woman is took by the throat or a certain line is crossed.
One thing which I have noticed of recent times is some scenes where I think the actors are not performing for us, the viewer, but for their own gratification. Maybe this is where the problem lies.
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Re: Throat grabbing - yes or no?

Postby alpha68 on Sat May 01, 2010 5:51 pm

It's fine when girls can handle it and people like it but personally I think it's as abusive as everything else in the hard anal group sex movies that feature it. I don't think it's a general trend but only featured in such movies. Pretty much all mentioned guys are abusive testosterone driven maniacs and I'm very surprised throat grabbing is perceived being more abusive than the other stuff these maniacs are into.

I like breath control play however but remember only one scene, that was Ander Page with Marc Davis in Nasty Nymphos 35 from 2002. It has been a while I watched that but I remember I loved that scene, it was rather hard featuring breath control play, hair pulling, ass slapping, deep throat, swallowing and anal, one of Ander's best scenes probably.
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Re: Throat grabbing - yes or no?

Postby senator on Sat May 01, 2010 9:11 pm

Absolutely not...I fucking hate it and think it has no place in porn, it's disrespective to the girls...I like watching them getting fucked senseless but anything abusive etc is totally out and totally sexually unappealing and kills a good sex scene stone dead in my opinion :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Re: Throat grabbing - yes or no?

Postby alpha68 on Sat May 01, 2010 9:25 pm

I wonder if people who are watching such movies are still sensitive to passion and abuse or just getting more and more blunt craving for more extreme circus acts.
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Re: Throat grabbing - yes or no?

Postby Vulture on Sat May 01, 2010 10:50 pm

alpha68 wrote:I wonder if people who are watching such movies are still sensitive to passion and abuse or just getting more and more blunt craving for more extreme circus acts.


I think you might have hit the nail on the head there to some extent. In the last 10 years I think we've seen porn get progressively harder. For example, we now have anal themed movies and anal scenes in general that are way harder than anything of that earlier era. I still have some of my old movies and occasionally watch them - I'm amazed looking at some scenes that at that time I thought were really hardcore as they look quite pedestrian now. I think we'd all agree that this extra hardness is a good thing - my fave porn films of all-time are from about the midpoint of that transition when you had amazing actresses like Sandra Romain, Claudia Rossi, Simony Diamond, Daniella Rush etc. who were doing much harder scenes than we'd seen before and just exploding off the screen with a real animal lust that was much better than the previous generation (IMHO). The best directors and actors were able to capture that heat without needing any ugly overly-physical stuff - in fact, if they did add that I'm fairly sure the girls wouldn't have been as explosive, they'd likely have shrunk, become a bit stiff and lifeless, less sexy. It's not such a good era now for really hot, vibrant new girls with big personalities and sexual appetites to match I don't think. I think they just get overpowered and even bullied by ego-driven veteran guys (who seem now to be the focal point of a lot of the porn, rather than the girls), there seems more of an attitude of "grin and bear it" from the girls, which results in inferior porn.

So this extra "hardness" that we've seen has now spilled over into something much uglier than just more guys, more anal for longer etc. I think people like Rocco and Ferrara in particular think that they're making super-hardcore porn because they have this grabbing, slapping, spitting etc. (it's pretty much their selling point) when in fact these are just substitutes for the hard sex that is lacking in their films. It's an easy substitute if you haven't the skill to do any better, basically.

But to answer your question directly, yes I suspect the viewers of this porn have become somewhat immune to these additional aspects. A film without this aggression they possibly wouldn't recognise as being "hardcore", especially if they came to porn recently and so haven't known porn without it. Which is a terrible shame and not good for the genre as a whole IMHO.
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Re: Throat grabbing - yes or no?

Postby just_me on Sun May 02, 2010 4:28 am

So many here and around are in to the abuse, violence, degradation of girls just so long as it is within the confines of your preferred fetish - in which case it's a beautiful thing the girls choose to perform in such ways for your amusement :!: But when the degradation, violence, and abuse rests outside of your preferred fetish suddenly now it's disrespectful, thuggery, no place in porn for it. You can be for or against throat grabbing, but when it's rationalized through hypocrisy... :roll: Just say that the act doesn't make your dick hard and move along.
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Re: Throat grabbing - yes or no?

Postby IMaRetArd on Mon May 10, 2010 9:28 pm

I think there are lots of things u can say about taste and aspects like that. Throat grabbing is a form of domination thingy, so if ur into that i guess its a turn on. Personally i dont like it since im sorta weak for a beautiful woman and cant imagine doing something like that, or wanting to see it either.

Really hard sex i definetly like though (duh!)...even some thats really rough too, but things like halfway choking or the slapping phenomenon puts it into a differnet "pace" so i find that a bit more anoying then xciting really. Well like always there are more sides to it but if ur into more rougher stuff im guessing the choking thingy just seems like another part of it.

however...speaking as this question to be as a kind of a "porn in general" thingy, then i definetly say: NO to throat grabbing...its for the more niche series of hard stuff. just my opinion.

hard hot n heavy sexx..hell yeaaa!!! gimme more :twisted:
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Re: Throat grabbing - yes or no?

Postby dap-addict on Tue May 11, 2010 6:30 am

Vulture wrote:So this extra "hardness" that we've seen has now spilled over into something much uglier than just more guys, more anal for longer etc. I think people like Rocco and Ferrara in particular think that they're making super-hardcore porn because they have this grabbing, slapping, spitting etc. (it's pretty much their selling point) when in fact these are just substitutes for the hard sex that is lacking in their films. It's an easy substitute if you haven't the skill to do any better, basically.

That`s the point!
I do hate throat grabbing, too. Also slapping, spitting and the rest of abuse. And I really think its just a substitute for those actors/directors.
As you pointed out, Vulture, lets remember the old Daniella Rush/Sandra Romain days again! It was hard passionate sex with a big anal dose. Than the anti-creampie witchhunt started, the Porn Valley turned further and further away from anal, but substituted it by more and more aggressiv behaviour copied from Rocco due to his big sales. But they didnt copy his genuine passion of early 2000, they just copied his throat pulling and spitting antiques.
Steve Holmes never had an ego problem, its rather that he gets older...thus he compensates. Manuel Ferrara doenst want to return to still anal and creampie friendly Europe, but shoots in the US and thus compensates the lacking hard sex in his films. David Perry always had problems finding his style, thus he tries what his age peers do.
Sad, but lets face it, its not a general trend - at least not in Europorn. There are still many directors you can pick, who dont do it and dont let their actors do it with the girls on set. :arrow: :)
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Re: Throat grabbing - yes or no?

Postby slapherfaceharder on Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:18 am

Absolutely there should be much more throat grabbing. The only caveat is that the actor has to develop a friendly rapport beforehand so that she can truly trust him. Make scenes fun for the girls; tell jokes during shooting breaks, like what Raul does.

It's all about getting the girls to relax...and then using her anyway you like :evil:
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Re: Throat grabbing - yes or no?

Postby huvve on Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:59 am

No way. It´s a turn off.
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Re: Throat grabbing - yes or no?

Postby accountantNOT on Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:01 pm

Agreed, it's a turn off. Toni Ribas has been doing a lot of that lately in his US scenes, funny thing is that if he can't act tough in the scenes that he acts completely disinterested waiting for the scene to be over.
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Re: Throat grabbing - yes or no?

Postby Philanderer81 on Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:34 am

To each his own guys. I'm into domination and rough play in my personal life, which doesn't mean I go around raping women or don't appreciate intimacy and gentleness. If all I did was choke and slap my girlfriends then my sex life would be pretty boring.

So say what you like about the prevalence of throat grabbing in porn but don't pass judgment on the people that enjoy that kind of thing. I really don't like gaping. I don't like taking an anatomy class of an actress' guts via a close up of her gaping asshole. It's prevalence in anal and DP scenes is annoying. That doesn't mean that I think that people who are into gaping are deviant. For Christ's sake we're members of a closed porn forum!!!
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Re: Throat grabbing - yes or no?

Postby kickherface on Sun May 12, 2013 9:50 pm

IMaRetArd wrote:I think there are lots of things u can say about taste and aspects like that. Throat grabbing is a form of domination thingy, so if ur into that i guess its a turn on. Personally i dont like it since im sorta weak for a beautiful woman and cant imagine doing something like that, or wanting to see it either.

Really hard sex i definetly like though (duh!)...even some thats really rough too, but things like halfway choking or the slapping phenomenon puts it into a differnet "pace" so i find that a bit more anoying then xciting really. Well like always there are more sides to it but if ur into more rougher stuff im guessing the choking thingy just seems like another part of it.

however...speaking as this question to be as a kind of a "porn in general" thingy, then i definetly say: NO to throat grabbing...its for the more niche series of hard stuff. just my opinion.

hard hot n heavy sexx..hell yeaaa!!! gimme more :twisted:


Why would you be "weak" for a beautiful woman? I am STRONG AND PASSIONATE for a beautiful woman! Are you saying that throat grabbing is ok with ugly girls? You're weird man.
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Re: Throat grabbing - yes or no?

Postby IMaRetArd on Sun May 12, 2013 10:25 pm

jesis dude, u definetly gotta b one of those dudes that are just out for attention since ur drawing conclusions like that. it goes for any kind of porn i want to see. in what way would i say its ok with anyone at all?? it sounds completely redundant to explain why i even say the word "beautiful women" since i seriously doubt ugly women in porn has very succesful careers anyway (duh!).
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