A Tribute to D.P. (double penetration)

[dap-addict]

Interesting thread...I can't help but replying with a few provocative comments and questions (no diss intended!).

It's quite evident that you never performed a DP yourself, since you would otherwise know that there is a lot of touching and rubbing involved between mens' legs, balls, sometimes even cocks - as pointed out by dap-addict as well. So does that mean that DP also is an act of "receiving sexual pleasure from other men" and should be banned as gay or bi-sexual? And if not, where to draw the line? How would you react to a hot girl grabbing your and another guy's cock and sucking them at the same time? Did it ever occur to you that watching guys wanking on a girl's face or fucking a girl in DP (and I bet you prefer big cocks to small ones) has a homosexual dimension too? Why do you declare girls such as Monica Sweetheart as DP queens who've openly said that they hate anal, leave alone DP, and only grudgingly do it for the money? And finally, what then is it you love about DP (at least in that one position)?

Thanks for noticing Coils evident contradictions, phunkey!
I bet he wont discuss with us, though, maybe he`s afraid of looking deeper into his heterosexual morals sounding like a crusade in that first post.

[coil]

It's quite evident that you never performed a DP yourself, since you would otherwise know that there is a lot of touching and rubbing involved between mens' legs, balls, sometimes even cocks - as pointed out by dap-addict as well. (1) So does that mean that DP also is an act of "receiving sexual pleasure from other men" and should be banned as gay or bi-sexual? And if not, where to draw the line? (2)How would you react to a hot girl grabbing your and another guy's cock and sucking them at the same time? (3)Did it ever occur to you that watching guys wanking on a girl's face or fucking a girl in DP (and I bet you prefer big cocks to small ones) has a homosexual dimension too? (4)Why do you declare girls such as Monica Sweetheart as DP queens who've openly said that they hate anal, leave alone DP, and only grudgingly do it for the money? (5)And finally, what then is it you love about DP (at least in that one position)?

I'll answer these questions one by one.

1) DP in and of itself is not an inherently homosexual act... homosexual, in my opinion (and I think any standard dictionary would support this opinion) is the act of receiving direct sexual pleasure from a person of the same gender. A man receiving direct sexual pleasure from another man is gay. There is nothing wrong with this, as I already stated earlier, but as a non-gay man, I don't really want to see gay sex in videos. Gay and/or bi-seuxal sex videos/acts should not be "banned" in any sort of way, I'm not sure where you get this idea... perhaps you think I am opposed to homosexuality or something. I just don't find it appealing, and it's kind of a turn off as a heterosexual man to see, imo.

2) In the said situation, I wouldn't find anything particularly gay about it, since the sexual pleasure I would be receiving would be from the woman... not the man. If that turns HER on (giving fellatio to 2 men simultaneously), I would in turn most likely find her lust for cock to be a catalyst to my own sexual temptation to continue having sex with her (not to have sex with the man, mind you.) If I asked her to rub my dick harder against his, there would probably be something gay about that request, as it shows I want to receive sexual pleasure from another man and not just a woman. If mens' balls or legs, arms or hands happen to rub against eachother or touch during DP sex with a woman, that's not necessarily gay. It's only gay if the men actively seek out the encounters to receive sexual pleasure (if I go to have a menage-a-trois and I want my balls to rub against another man's balls, that is gay. Otherwise, it's just an accident, but not in the sense that something wrong was done, but in the sense that it was just part of the act of having sex with the woman sandwiched between us. "

3) Perhaps, but I don't watch DP or cumshots because I have secret sexual lust for men, men's ejaculate, men's penises, or men at all... I have sexual lust for women that are uninhibited, promiscuous (but safe), willing to open up their orifices to two (or one, I don't only watch 3somes) relatively unknown men in order to receive sexual pleasure, and allowing them to climax on her face without any real major inhibitions about society's values and morals as regards to standard sexual intercourse practices and rules. As far as the cock size goes, you're partially right... I don't want to see miniscule dicks in porn, nor do I want to see gargantuan monster cocks (mandingo comes to mind). The reasoning is not because of any gay feelings I have, but rather because it is harder to imagine myself IN THE SITUATION if the men have tiny dicks, and likewise ultra-enormous dicks. That is one big part about porno, for some people... imagining yourself THERE having sex with the woman. That is why I don't like to watch fat hairy men with tiny dicks in porn, because it's the complete opposite of my body type. Also, I don't watch pornos to masturbate to the beauty of the male form or majesty of their genitalia... only for the beauty of the female form and their *assets*. From a purely technical standpoint, small dicks are more difficult to film than the larger ones.

4) By "DP Queens" I mean pornstars who have done DP a lot in their career. Not just that, but girls that I find particularly attractive and good at engaging in DPs on film. Monica Sweetheart (and all the other women I listed) fits those two criterion (attractive, and have done DP a number of times.) If Monica Sweetheart only does DP for money, that's another topic all together. I really don't care why these women do porn. I'm quite aware that a lot of them just need/want money, and are uninhibited enough that having sexual intercourse on video, for the world to see, in order for them to acquire money is not a big problem. If Monica Sweetheart (or any other pornstar) doesn't enjoy anal, that's not really a concern of mine unless their videos begin to show signs (pain, for instance, is not hot to me.) Personally, I doubt your statement that Monica only "grudgingly" does anal for the money... she's done anal in practically every single porno she's ever been in, which seems to show she has no major hang-ups about doing it. If she had major problems with doing anal, I would find it very unlikely she would continue doing it for years and years, hundreds and hundreds of scenes. You could be right, but ultimately I don't think it can be proven she hates anal... maybe she did say that at one point in her long life, but perhaps it was because she got a particularly ferocious male-talent that week who reamed her ass, like so many of these *gape* fans seem to enjoy here. Ultimately, these womens' personal inner thoughts are of no real concern to me, because it is about the fantasy portrayed on the video, for me, the consumer... if it begins to get harmful or cause severe problems with the performers, I would hope they would stop doing it, or alter their career in some sort of way (like, not doing anal anymore.)

5) What I love about DP is the fact that there are women out there who are so carefree, uninhibited, promiscuous, and willing to reject society's typical conservative norms that they will seek sexual pleasure from not one, but two men... and not just in the same room, but simultaneously in their ass and pussy. There surely are less women in this world who would engage in this sort of act than would not... women who are not afraid to violate a taboo of society; actually, violate multiple taboos of society (group sex, anal, unmarried, et cetera.) The women in DP videos must be hot... and this desire probably needs no explanation at all. I don't want to see women who are non-physically-attractive in porno. The reason I prefer to see cowgirl style dp over reverse cowgirl is because it shows off the woman's ass more, and because tits look better to me hanging down than falling flatter in the reverse-cowgirl position. This is purely a personal opinion matter, and really any dp position is fine (except that position where 1 of the men has utterly no visual view of the woman and can only see a man's ass right in front of him... that's the worst dp position I have ever seen.) If there was a way for me to digitally edit myself into porno videos, I would. I find the male-performers to be annoyingly distracting a lot of the time, for a variety of reasons. I would probably put two of myself into the videos, and never have to watch other guys again perform DP on a hot girl.

I'm surprised I actually have to defend a point of view which says "two cocks rubbing against eachother thereby creating sexual pleasure for each of the men as a direct result of the cocks rubbing against eachother is a rather gay form of sex." I would have thought that would be self-evident. There are no "contradictions" in my original post. I've looked rather deeply into my own personal feelings, and this is the conclusion I came up with: Cock-on-cock sexual pleasure is rather gay (not that gay sex is wrong or bad, just not appealing to heterosexual men that don't like gay sex). Quite the contrary, I think a lot of men out there think they are hetero, and yet they get off on viewing cock-on-cock sex, and refuse to admit they are actually bi-sexual in some sort of way, dap-addict.

[dap-addict]

I'm surprised I actually have to defend a point of view which says "two cocks rubbing against eachother thereby creating sexual pleasure for each of the men as a direct result of the cocks rubbing against eachother is a rather gay form of sex." I would have thought that would be self-evident...dap-addict.

Seems you have never watched any daps,coil. The biggest problem of shooting them is not the girl, but finding two actors professional enough not to get limp because of those two cocks rubbing against each other. Most actors are not able to really concentrate on the girl, dapping her. Which makes the act even more scarce.

Anyway, your problem is the assumption that all porn fans watch porn for the reason you watch it, i.e. imagining yourself in the situation of those actors fucking those girls. Me, I fuck enough girls in all those un-moral (sic!) ways and circumstances, thus from porn I expect the real demanding stuff I`d never even immagine to try myself. DAP is the practice I was hooked to over 10 years ago, dp will do if dap is not available. Both acts are soooo beautiful if the girls is a beauty or cute.
In my private life I enjoy the 1on1 thing, I avoid watching in porn. But different folks, different preferences. Just no generalisations, please!

[coil]

Seems you have never watched any daps,coil. The biggest problem of shooting them is not the girl, but finding two actors professional enough not to get limp because of those two cocks rubbing against each other. Most actors are not able to really concentrate on the girl, dapping her. Which makes the act even more scarce.

And that somehow disproves my point that cock-on-cock sex is inherently gay because.... ? You are yourself implying that it's rather a gay act and causes hetero men to get limp. Basically you have reinforced by earlier statement. If we're going to talk about "actors" getting paid and performing gay sex acts, I suppose that's another matter all together.

Anyway, your problem is the assumption that all porn fans watch porn for the reason you watch it, i.e. imagining yourself in the situation of those actors fucking those girls.

I never assumed that all porn consumers watch/buy porn for that reason (imagining yourself in the scene). Read my earlier post more clearly. "That is one big part about porno, for some people..." Phunkey was trying to prove to me that cumshots and DP have homosexual dimensions, which I said is not inherently true. I then explained why it didn't have to be true.

Me, I fuck enough girls in all those un-moral (sic!) ways and circumstances, thus from porn I expect the real demanding stuff I`d never even immagine to try myself.

So you imagine yourself not ever, in reality, doing the "demanding" stuff, and it turns you on. Again, you seem to have further reinforced my statement that one big reason people watch porno is because it excites their imagination thinking about themselves in regards to the sex scene. If cocks rubbing against eachother on video turns you on, that's perfectly fine.

On a side note, I don't even think it makes sense to say "I can't imagine myself doing XYZ-sex-act but it excites me thoroughly to watch videos of it being performed." The fact that something like DAP is sexually appealing to you and you actively seek out films of it being performed shows you have an interest in the subject... therefore, the idea of DAP combined with your own sexual lust is something that you have imagined... not "never imagined." If you had said "...from porn I expect the real demanding stuff I`d never even try myself," that would have make perfect sense.

[dap-addict]

You are yourself implying that it's rather a gay act and causes hetero men to get limp.

All I do is realizing how difficult it is even for professional actors to completely concentrate on the girl they fuck and not to fall into moral traps created by society.


And all I was getting upset about was your generalisation and intended attack on fellow porn fans stated in your first post:

No Double Pussy Penetration (dpp), no DV (double vaginal), no Double Anal... I honestly think these forms of porno are male homosexual, since two cocks rub against each other producing pleasure.

But basically If you think DV/DA on a girl is homosexual it`s your problem.


And finally: maybe I havnt thought enough deep into myself why I enjoy watching porn, I`d rather get pleasure out of the next girl on video doing the raunchy stuff I demand instead.

[coil]

But basically If you think DV/DA on a girl is homosexual it`s your problem.

What I think isn't a problem, because it's logically sound and correct. Also, DV/DA isn't a "problem" per se, at all, just not my preference to watch two cocks slide against eachother. Until someone proves me wrong that two cocks rubbing against eachother producing pleasure for the men is gay, I stand by my original statement. It's no more a generalization than saying "fucking another man in the ass and finding it pleasurable is gay."

If you took it as an attack, sorry. I was just expressing my personal opinion about the subject. I don't recall actually attacking anyone.

[dap-addict]

And finally: maybe I havnt thought enough deep into myself why I enjoy watching porn, I`d rather get pleasure out of the next girl on video doing the raunchy stuff I demand instead.

[coil]

[dap-addict]

If you took it as an attack, sorry. I was just expressing my personal opinion about the subject. I don't recall actually attacking anyone.

Excuse accepted, but a phrasing like this in a clearly hetero porn forum comes close to an insult...

This is a thread devoted to the greatest type of porn that ever existed, double penetration (DP).

No Double Pussy Penetration (dpp), no DV (double vaginal), no Double Anal... I honestly think these forms of porno are male homosexual, since two cocks rub against each other producing pleasure.

Anyway, here the cocks rub together, too, if you take a close look, still all I am concerned with is the girl:

Really hot!
Who is she?


Btw, great dp pics!

[bake0213]

And finally: maybe I havnt thought enough deep into myself why I enjoy watching porn, I`d rather get pleasure out of the next girl on video doing the raunchy stuff I demand instead.

Who is this beauty? Does anyone know what movie this pic is from?

[Patrick2]

I enjoy a DP when it is well done. Quite a few of them these days are more like a circus act but then again so are quite a ew other things in porn. The key elements for a good DP is if the girl is comfortable with the act, the actors are not trying to rip the girl in 2 and the director undertands lighting, camera angle and the ability to shut the hell up.

Although I like DP's. I must confess to feel a little cheated when a new girl starts doing all the nasty stuff upfront. I much prefer when they wait a little or at least start with just plain anal. The waiting sucks but at least I build an anticipation for the scene.

[dap-addict]

And finally: maybe I havnt thought enough deep into myself why I enjoy watching porn, I`d rather get pleasure out of the next girl on video doing the raunchy stuff I demand instead.

Who is this beauty? Does anyone know what movie this pic is from?

Oh, I should probabely have credited her and Hustler upfront!
Its Agnese in Hustler XXX 11 - one of those model-look Woodman 1-day-wonders.

[dap-addict]

Although I like DP's. I must confess to feel a little cheated when a new girl starts doing all the nasty stuff upfront. I much prefer when they wait a little or at least start with just plain anal. The waiting sucks but at least I build an anticipation for the scene.

Although I understand your point the above case of Agnese along with many other proof that it doenst work like that. Every director will try to get the maximum after he has casted a girl simply because he doenst know how long she will be available for porn. Given the career life span of todays Eurobabes thats a good thing for sure!

[Rio_Bravo]

Anyway, here the cocks rub together, too, if you take a close look, still all I am concerned with is the girl:

Really hot!
Who is she?


Btw, great dp pics!

its her http://eurobabeindex.com/sbandoindex/poly.html

[coil]