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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby chubakka on Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:13 pm

stingray_rd wrote:Why is this thread used to put rubbish over PW?

Hey man, Torbe is in the shit... someone put him into shit. Why is bad to get some infos about how thing are going when you get in the shit ? In this world everyone is connected somehow. Me I just met Torbe in Budapest last summer, we had a drink, and talked about doing some business. Now he is imprisoned. I`m sharing my thoughts and my experience, can give an idea to those they care of him. Ok , you are in love with Pierre, sad for you. Just move forward, and read only nice comments about him. Anyway soon I`ll be banned again, dont worry :lol:
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby olga cabaeva on Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:35 pm

chubakka wrote:One more thing connected to the question if French police, and court is corrupted, or not ? I let you find out....

just before to be in the situation to meet the new investigating judge whom had to decide if I can come back to my country in house arrest, or not they asked me to sign a contract they will make a documentary about this case for the EU Community will be shown in police training. I asked, if this is for sure with this aim, because I know they have a documentary serial on TV TF5 Channel, isnt their intention to be shown there ? Because I dont really wish to be known this way....they told me, no, for sure will be with educational purpose. My lawyer told me, I should accept, because this will be a good point for me in front of the court. I accepted with the condotion, not to go in TV, and to get the full version before it is shown in public. Before the quadratic court judgment all the documentary goes in TV in France :shock: So, I didnt was judged, before the final basic principle goes around the world that I will be imprisoned....Pierre Woodman immediately put it online in forums, and spread around I have to be in prison. Nice friend I had, what you think about ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNBSgQnbs0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUaDChbhnPg
Now I dont care, already everybody knows the version made by Woodman, and everybody thinks I`m hiding myself from the police is looking for me. Ok. Just believe all what he lies, and you all connected to him will see 1 day, what a great guy he is.
Here you have again the documentary. Yes, it is in french, but you are some you understand, and you know this guy is the one whom leaved his country, and moved in Hungary, not to have problems in his own place. Not me. I am living my life free in my country, without to hide myself.
Second important moment can make you think about getting in trouble in France :
Usually when you are accused, you should know why, who they accuse you, and what they told about you, whe going to defend yourself at the court. No in France, or maybe just in my case, I did not get informations, only step by step in court proceedings I got new informations when judges interogated me. So you cannot prepare your defense, you cannot tell your lawyer to bring evidences, because they dont let you have this opportunity.
All my agency contracts were legal in my own country, all official papers could serve for my defense, were rejected by the court, as being not official in France...even if I paid thones of money to be officially translated, and with official stamp in France.
But the biggest problem it was, I could not know what really happened, only at the end, to find out the bigges ENEMY is in my HOUSE, it is my "friend" whom really want to help me get out from the shit. HAHAHA, guess who was that friend of mine, whom used all situations in his life to become famous using others from around ?
I remember when I organized the first erotic festival in ex Yugoslavian countries in Belgrade 2005, everybody was scared to come in that country after the war. But I did it. Hot Video asked me to give them material about, and Pierre said he will do it, he can get some money for it. I would gave it for free, only to get my agency promoted that time. All TV Channels from Serbia,Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia, etc, they asked ME for interview, and I introduced them Woodman, as being more important guy can talk about porn, and being the one whom started my career. I didnt wanted be famous, only be in this biz, and take care of my business, and my models to have a good life. This fuckin prig, he even didnt gave me the Hot Video magazine where the reportage was in front cover, just to dont see how he lied, that was him behind all this organisation....I get it half year later from GFRomagnoli, and faced his lies...
So I think if you wish to haqve your answer about how correct is the FRENCH POLICE, if it is corrupted or not, JUST FIND OUT WHO IS WOODMAN. He is the IMAGE of the FRENCH POLICE, probably thus why they are in so good inseparable connection....

Thanx for sharing this. Honestly,I don't know what I can think right now . Unfortunly I don't understand a lots from their conversations on you tube,but,ok ,the movie was about how good french cops are hunting bad proxenettas.
You should not give any participation in this kind of movies. You know,its like with russian/ucranian models:once it will be shot ,it will be everywhere.
Also cops should call ALL your models in court,not just one or two. I think,in Torbe's case they at least listen both sides:pro and against,because some girls spoke bad about him,but others spoke good. I was not still called ,but he fucked like 3000 girls,so...It can be long...
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby MrIceland on Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:46 pm

Looks to me that putalocura updated today with a new set. It's not bukkake, but it seems to be updating again
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby pedro212 on Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:07 am

To respond to your question :

chubakka wrote:One more thing connected to the question if French police, and court is corrupted, or not ? I let you find out....

just before to be in the situation to meet the new investigating judge whom had to decide if I can come back to my country in house arrest, or not they asked me to sign a contract they will make a documentary about this case for the EU Community will be shown in police training. I asked, if this is for sure with this aim, because I know they have a documentary serial on TV TF5 Channel, isnt their intention to be shown there ? Because I dont really wish to be known this way....they told me, no, for sure will be with educational purpose. My lawyer told me, I should accept, because this will be a good point for me in front of the court. I accepted with the condotion, not to go in TV, and to get the full version before it is shown in public. Before the quadratic court judgment all the documentary goes in TV in France :shock: So, I didnt was judged, before the final basic principle goes around the world that I will be imprisoned....Pierre Woodman immediately put it online in forums, and spread around I have to be in prison. Nice friend I had, what you think about ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNBSgQnbs0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUaDChbhnPg
Now I dont care, already everybody knows the version made by Woodman, and everybody thinks I`m hiding myself from the police is looking for me. Ok. Just believe all what he lies, and you all connected to him will see 1 day, what a great guy he is.
Here you have again the documentary. Yes, it is in french, but you are some you understand, and you know this guy is the one whom leaved his country, and moved in Hungary, not to have problems in his own place. Not me. I am living my life free in my country, without to hide myself.
Second important moment can make you think about getting in trouble in France :
Usually when you are accused, you should know why, who they accuse you, and what they told about you, whe going to defend yourself at the court. No in France, or maybe just in my case, I did not get informations, only step by step in court proceedings I got new informations when judges interogated me. So you cannot prepare your defense, you cannot tell your lawyer to bring evidences, because they dont let you have this opportunity.
All my agency contracts were legal in my own country, all official papers could serve for my defense, were rejected by the court, as being not official in France...even if I paid thones of money to be officially translated, and with official stamp in France.
But the biggest problem it was, I could not know what really happened, only at the end, to find out the bigges ENEMY is in my HOUSE, it is my "friend" whom really want to help me get out from the shit. HAHAHA, guess who was that friend of mine, whom used all situations in his life to become famous using others from around ?
I remember when I organized the first erotic festival in ex Yugoslavian countries in Belgrade 2005, everybody was scared to come in that country after the war. But I did it. Hot Video asked me to give them material about, and Pierre said he will do it, he can get some money for it. I would gave it for free, only to get my agency promoted that time. All TV Channels from Serbia,Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia, etc, they asked ME for interview, and I introduced them Woodman, as being more important guy can talk about porn, and being the one whom started my career. I didnt wanted be famous, only be in this biz, and take care of my business, and my models to have a good life. This fuckin prig, he even didnt gave me the Hot Video magazine where the reportage was in front cover, just to dont see how he lied, that was him behind all this organisation....I get it half year later from GFRomagnoli, and faced his lies...
So I think if you wish to haqve your answer about how correct is the FRENCH POLICE, if it is corrupted or not, JUST FIND OUT WHO IS WOODMAN. He is the IMAGE of the FRENCH POLICE, probably thus why they are in so good inseparable connection....


First the French Police and the French court is nit corrupted as you say, i am not a big fan of Woodman so i did not say that to defense him because i really do not care for what can happen to him.
About the french court, the french judiciary system is not working as the american one as you can see in movies, in France it is to the prosecutor to prove that you are guilty, so they collect evidence in that sense and if they have many evidences they charge you and judge you in court where judges decide if the job have been done or not, no jury. So if they considerate that they have good evidence it is quite impossible to bring your own evidence to said that i am innocent. The prosecutor have to prove that you are guilty, not you that you are innocent, this is how work the french system.
Who accused you : it is the french state, not an individual, this is not possible in the case of criminal case, the french state always represent the victim. A person can sue an other one in France but not in criminal investigation only for economics or fraud or other matters who are not involving criminal action, so not in jail during the trial.
So about the evidence, as they have to prove that you are guilty, they can show them little by little, it is up to your lawyer and to you to explain the evidence collected in France. For the evidence that your bring from your country this what i have as information for you, your country at this time was charging you to show how european they are, and the french law is so strict that the contracts that you had did not correspond to the french standard so irrelevant in front of a french court.
I am sorry about what happens to you, but you have to understand the the french judiciary system is very different, i give you an example, in the north of France a group of children accused several persons of having sexually abused them. Because they were child they can not lie, because on crazy woman said yes i did it, even if the defense had good evidence of the innocence of this persons, they were all convinced of child abused and went to jail, years later the truth came out and they were all released, the prosecutor believed the child so he did a fucking stupid but good job in his perspective. That is why in the french system after you are convinced you always goes for "appeal" and then "cassation" because it is your turn to play with the evidence. Crazy maybe but this how it works.
For your lawyer i hope that he was not suggest by your enemy because in this case you can be fucked.
For the police at this level you have to understand that the police have no power it is to the prosecutor (who is a judge) to decide. The police just collect information. So you can not tell that the Police is corrupt in France. It is true that woodman used to be a cop in Paris but he does not have the power to tell them arrest this guy he is fucking my business; because as i told you it is to a judge to decide not police so there friends, and if he have some they can not do something for him against you, and the police section that he is in charge of your case is very special, and basically considerate that porno is an other form of prostitution, so they probably hate woodman.
You were caught in a big case against prostitution in France, and they were looking for guilty persons.
I do not like or dislike police in general, i don't care basically i just think that we have less and less freedoms and i don't like this (i am not speaking about the adult entertainment) it is just to explain that i am not taking the defense of the French police i just reports facts, because i am for the free information.
About the tv show it is tv so they do sensational to entertein the public, so what do you except, and your lawyer was stupid in this case and it is his fault, he should have down a contract saying not to show on tv, but he make you signed a paper where you were ok to goes on tv, because in France you need the authorization of the person to show image of him on tv, if you do not have this contract it is against the law, and you can claim a lot of money.......
If i was you i look in your lawyer???

I can get your more information about our case if you want but this not a conversation for here because let get back to Torbe who is getting down little by little i think.
I also think that maybe is not totally guilty, but he was thinking at a point that he was untouchable, so he get less careful about what he was doing, which is stupid of him i think.
And yes Putalocura released a new material, meanings that they get the authorization to published the materials whom is not relevant of his case.
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby pedro212 on Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:31 pm

Lets get back to Torbe.

First about his declaration about the minor charge, he said to the judge that about this girl he had a copy of her ID and a contract of rights cession and a commercial contract with this girls.
If this is true, it is looking better for him i think.
http://www.telecinco.es/elprogramadeana ... 30040.html

About Ukrainian girls doing bukkake, this is what the head of the police investigation Sexta, Manuel Marlasca said : When the girls arrived and realized what they have to do, they don't want to do it, they were crying and vomiting. they use in the news paper not one girl but they, so more than one but maybe not all..... The proof of this is on the records were you can see how the girls react.....

Also one protected witness say that when she arrived in Spain (maybe an Ukrainian) she doesn't want to do it so she was locked in a room for one night by one of Torbe employee.

And to finish they said that after the Ukrainians girls Torbe plan was to bring girls from south america, but he was arrested just before starting....
http://www.lasexta.com/noticias/socieda ... 99d5d.html

i check the Facebook page of one *** guy with the photo but for me it does not feet, and even the pictures on Facebook are to small to be sure so who is this guy????
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby chubakka on Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:39 pm

pedro212 wrote:To respond to your question :

First the French Police and the French court is nit corrupted as you say, i am not a big fan of Woodman so i did not say that to defense him because i really do not care for what can happen to him.
About the french court, the french judiciary system is not working as the american one as you can see in movies, in France it is to the prosecutor to prove that you are guilty, so they collect evidence in that sense and if they have many evidences they charge you and judge you in court where judges decide if the job have been done or not, no jury. So if they considerate that they have good evidence it is quite impossible to bring your own evidence to said that i am innocent. The prosecutor have to prove that you are guilty, not you that you are innocent, this is how work the french system.
Who accused you : it is the french state, not an individual, this is not possible in the case of criminal case, the french state always represent the victim. A person can sue an other one in France but not in criminal investigation only for economics or fraud or other matters who are not involving criminal action, so not in jail during the trial.
So about the evidence, as they have to prove that you are guilty, they can show them little by little, it is up to your lawyer and to you to explain the evidence collected in France. For the evidence that your bring from your country this what i have as information for you, your country at this time was charging you to show how european they are, and the french law is so strict that the contracts that you had did not correspond to the french standard so irrelevant in front of a french court.
I am sorry about what happens to you, but you have to understand the the french judiciary system is very different, i give you an example, in the north of France a group of children accused several persons of having sexually abused them. Because they were child they can not lie, because on crazy woman said yes i did it, even if the defense had good evidence of the innocence of this persons, they were all convinced of child abused and went to jail, years later the truth came out and they were all released, the prosecutor believed the child so he did a fucking stupid but good job in his perspective. That is why in the french system after you are convinced you always goes for "appeal" and then "cassation" because it is your turn to play with the evidence. Crazy maybe but this how it works.
For your lawyer i hope that he was not suggest by your enemy because in this case you can be fucked.
For the police at this level you have to understand that the police have no power it is to the prosecutor (who is a judge) to decide. The police just collect information. So you can not tell that the Police is corrupt in France. It is true that woodman used to be a cop in Paris but he does not have the power to tell them arrest this guy he is fucking my business; because as i told you it is to a judge to decide not police so there friends, and if he have some they can not do something for him against you, and the police section that he is in charge of your case is very special, and basically considerate that porno is an other form of prostitution, so they probably hate woodman.
You were caught in a big case against prostitution in France, and they were looking for guilty persons.
I do not like or dislike police in general, i don't care basically i just think that we have less and less freedoms and i don't like this (i am not speaking about the adult entertainment) it is just to explain that i am not taking the defense of the French police i just reports facts, because i am for the free information.
About the tv show it is tv so they do sensational to entertein the public, so what do you except, and your lawyer was stupid in this case and it is his fault, he should have down a contract saying not to show on tv, but he make you signed a paper where you were ok to goes on tv, because in France you need the authorization of the person to show image of him on tv, if you do not have this contract it is against the law, and you can claim a lot of money.......
If i was you i look in your lawyer???

I can get your more information about our case if you want but this not a conversation for here because let get back to Torbe who is getting down little by little i think.
I also think that maybe is not totally guilty, but he was thinking at a point that he was untouchable, so he get less careful about what he was doing, which is stupid of him i think.
And yes Putalocura released a new material, meanings that they get the authorization to published the materials whom is not relevant of his case.

Well explained. Thank you :)
Thus why I`m voting for FREXIT. And I am happy that Gerbier is French citizen.
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby krull on Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:16 pm

MrIceland wrote:Looks to me that putalocura updated today with a new set. It's not bukkake, but it seems to be updating again


These are all old videos. The bukkakes are all with certain ex-Torbe girls and as I've said, the reason why is very much relevant to Torbe's case, Olga already spelled it out. The latest video might be another ex Torbe girl possibly trying to smear Torbe, I don't know. Again she did several bukkakes with no trouble. Misa is a Russian girl, probably trolling members who post on the forums complaining about Ukrainian bukkakes not being uploaded. No new material has been posted since May.

pedro212 wrote:Lets get back to Torbe...


Look at the dates of the articles, they are old and we've learned fresh information since then. Torbe confirmed that one girl had trouble with the recordings, the cameraman Manuel had to admit to police that he had witnessed this because he was caught on wiretap having this conversation. I do not believe half of the media claims, they report of some girls being minors and we know that's bs. All the girls did not want to do it.. really? You're telling me all these girls recorded videos against their will:

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These girls are mostly escorts, who have probably done gangbangs plenty of times. Also.. Angel B was forced to record videos of her smiling whilst swallowing sperm.. really? Rubbish! This bridge that the media is selling is expensive and I won't buy it...

Torbe went to Mexico to see about bringing girls in connection with Sexmex or something like that, it was his next big project to expand PL further I think.

About the ID, TP1 had it with her whilst in a bar where he met her, drinking underage, so it is likely that is a fake ID and that goes in his favour. HOWEVER.. this has happened before so that goes against him...
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby pedro212 on Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:51 pm

To Krull.

Where does this pictures came from???

Thank you
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby krull on Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:05 pm

Did you not read this thread from the beginning? The first 11 are from the original photosets posted on Putalocura when each bukkake was advertised, I saved them each time because they were removed after each one, same with Angel B's screencaps. The other two photos are VK photos of the last two girls who didn't have any photosets posted on PL. If you look at the first posts in the thread, you will see links posted with the photos. These are all the Ukrainian girls that did bukkakes, 13 models.
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby olga cabaeva on Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:55 pm

http://escortnews.eu/en/escorts/Turkey
http://m.6annonce.com/escorts/nuove/city_fr_paris
Just have a look on couple escort websites. Torbe's girls have the same or very similar photosets. They are very typical for all russian/ucranian agencies.Nobody will use for modeling this kind of pix.
http://m.6annonce.com/escort/photos/Rose_Fll-75192
The same White wall like on 1 and 11 Torbe's girls
http://m.6annonce.com/escort/photos/MIKA-75380
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby pedro212 on Sat Jun 25, 2016 6:48 pm

Thank you Krull,
Some times i forget and i am not always read it again from the beginning. But thank you to answer me again.
To Olga
Yes it looks like as escort pictures. You are right.

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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby krull on Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:46 pm

Good post Olga, almost exactly the same kinds of sets! This is Monro backstage of one of her shoots:

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No problem pedro, much has happened in a short space of time, I have a hard time keeping up and wrapping my head around all the details myself!
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby olga cabaeva on Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:32 pm

krull wrote:Good post Olga, almost exactly the same kinds of sets! This is Monro backstage of one of her shoots:

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No problem pedro, much has happened in a short space of time, I have a hard time keeping up and wrapping my head around all the details myself!

Is the same piano(рояль) on Monro's back ?
http://m.6annonce.com/escort/photos/ALEXIS_AF-75536
These girls could come from the same people (agency),pix can be done in the same studio.
Torbe's girl number 7 has he same sofa (диван) like I posted other girl (1 picture) from Paris.
http://m.6annonce.com/escort/photos/Mia_Fll-75613
Yes,white wall can be seen very often. Probably ucranian girls from bukkake have the same french connection. I don't want to think french police is corrupted....but too much similar photosets work in Paris
http://m.6annonce.com/escort/photos/Alexia-74347
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby olga cabaeva on Sat Jun 25, 2016 10:01 pm

In case if pix would be deleted soon from 6announce.
The same furniture,chair ,like sofa on number 7 Torbe's girl.
White piano. Same a Monro's?
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Re: Russian and Ukrainian models do bukkake in Spain

Postby olga cabaeva on Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:18 pm

http://amour-russe.net/one_model.php?id=1067
Btw,AR has similar photosets too.
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